Black Republican: Don't Equate Black Rights And Gay Rights

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No Equality wrote:

No marriage for gays. Civil rights are okay by me.

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Glen Allen wrote:

The "gay" mafia will use anything and anybody to advance their cause. Its a cause that will be very destructive to this nation. I'm praying now that our beloved President doesn't embrace that kind of sickness. Join the voices that are against such warpness.

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No Equality wrote:

No marriage for gays. Civil rights are okay by me.

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eyeful wrote:

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In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

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eyeful wrote:

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Coretta Scott King gives her support to gay marriage
POMONA, N.J.(AP)— The widow of Martin Luther King Jr. called gay marriage a civil rights issue, denouncing a proposed constitutional amendment that would ban it.
Constitutional amendments should be used to expand freedom, not restrict it, Coretta Scott King said Tuesday.
"Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union," she said. "A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."

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eyeful wrote:

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May 20, 2011
For First Time, Majority of Americans Favor Legal Gay Marriage
Republicans and older Americans remain opposed
PRINCETON, NJ -- For the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages. The increase since last year came exclusively among political independents and Democrats. Republicans' views did not change.
These results are based on Gallup's May 5-8 Values and Beliefs poll, which has tracked attitudes toward legalizing same-sex marriage each year since 2004, adding to Gallup's initial polling on the topic in 1996 and 1999.
This year's nine-percentage-point increase in support for same-sex marriage is the largest year-to-year shift yet measured over this time period. Two-thirds of Americans were opposed to legalized same-sex marriage in 1996, with 27% in favor. By 2004, support had risen to 42% and, despite some fluctuations from year to year, stayed at roughly that level through last year.

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eyeful wrote:

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Since marriage equality became a hot-button issue, a growing number of African-American ministers, both straight and openly gay, have weighed in with support for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters and elevate the message that we are all children of the creator. Where there is love, there is God.
Leaders such as Rev. Dennis Wiley, a Maryland resident and pastor of Covenant Baptist United Church of Christ in Washington, D.C., have spoken out publicly and unapologetically about their support for all loving and committed couples. Advocates like Rev. Dorothy Harris, pastor of Unity Fellowship Church of Columbia, and Pastor Larry Brumfield with Westminster's Church of the Brethren are standing firmly in solidarity.
By advocating for protections that would enable everyone to take care of and provide for the people they love, these faith leaders are building a community in which all God's children are accepted and embraced for who they are.
Our LGBT brothers and sisters want the same things as everyone else. They want what is at the core of marriage equality — to make a lifelong promise in front of family, friends and God to commit to each other and take care of one another.
As the assistant pastor of a predominantly African-American congregation that affirms all people, I witness members of my congregation worship together regardless of orientation, knowing that the foundation of any strong family is not the sexual orientation or gender of the parents but the love and commitment they have for each other and their children.
I call on pastors, faith leaders, congregants and believers alike to join us in coming out as supportive people of faith on the side of love.
Jamie Washington, Baltimore
Pastor of the Unity Fellowship Church of Baltimore.

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downhill246 wrote:

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"I know deep down in my sanctified soul that he did not take a bullet for same-sex unions."
Bernice King, daughter of Martin Luther King Jr

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BS Detector wrote:

<quoted text> If you really want an honest dialogue, knock off the bullsh!t word games. If, however, you insist on the word games, that indicates to me that you have no real interest in real dialogue.
Your choice.

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Glen Allen wrote:

The "gay" mafia will use anything and anybody to advance their cause. Its a cause that will be very destructive to this nation. I'm praying now that our beloved President doesn't embrace that kind of sickness. Join the voices that are against such warpness.

eyeful wrote:

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SEATTLE | Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:24am EST
(Reuters)- Governor Christine Gregoire plans to sign newly passed legislation on Monday to legalize gay marriage in Washington state, making it the seventh with a law on the books to recognize same-sex nuptials, her office said on Thursday.
A statehouse signing ceremony in Olympia, Washington's capital, was slated for 11:30 a.m. local time on Monday. The bill won final legislative approval from the state House of Representatives on Wednesday by a vote of 55-43.
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ALBANY — Lawmakers voted late Friday to legalize same-sex marriage, making New York the largest state where gay and lesbian couples will be able to wed and giving the national gay-rights movement new momentum from the state where it was born. The marriage bill, whose fate was uncertain until moments before the vote, was approved 33 to 29 in a packed but hushed Senate chamber. Four members of the Republican majority joined all but one Democrat in the Senate in supporting the measure after an intense and emotional campaign aimed at the handful of lawmakers wrestling with a decision that divided their friends, their constituents and sometimes their own homes.
At around 10:30 p.m., moments after the vote was announced, Mr. Cuomo strode onto the Senate floor to wave at cheering supporters who had crowded into the galleries to watch. Trailed by two of his daughters, the governor greeted lawmakers, and paused to single out those Republicans who had defied the majority of their party to support the marriage bill.

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BS Detector wrote:

<quoted text> Do you understand the difference between murder in the first degree and murder in the second degree? Do you know what manslaughter is?
In other words, you have described two different crimes.

Savant wrote:

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You can describe racist violence against Blacks, such as the lynching in Tyler, Texas as a hate crime because motivated by racism. Racial hatred.
The murder of Matt Shepherd was a hate crime because motivated by hatred of a gay person just because he was gay.
Of course, an estrangec spouse might murder you out of hatred. But it is you, the individual, that she or he kills out of hate. it's hatred of an individual.
But in the first two examples, it is your race or sexual orientation that is hated. In a way, you do not exist as an individual,

BS Detector wrote:

<quoted text> Interesting. Source, please?

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realist wrote:

<quoted text>I am not playing word games. I happen to believe that all people deserve the same rights and that includes gays. What problem do you have with that statement? I also believe that we would be much better off as a society if we did not have to spend so much time debating this type of topic-extend the same rights to all people, move on and start solving the more complicated problems facing society. But then you are probably one of those people who are not interested in actually solving problems because than you would have nothing to talk about.

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DaveinMass wrote:

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Yes. It's a matter of 'intent'.
The intent of a swastika spray painted on a synagogue says that the painter wants all jews to die. The smiley face spray painter may mean they are in a good mood or wishing others a good day.(scenario from my post #202) Their intents are different, thus different crimes.
The death of a person by another are classified by intent. 1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, justifiable homicide.
Not all crimes against gays are a hate crime, just as not all crimes against a black man is a hate crime, or someone of a particular faith, or age, etc. Hate crimes are charged when the 'intent' of the perpetrator is determined to be against the entire segment of a population group not just against any particular individual.
The intent of the perpetrator is important.
You accept the concept of intent regarding murder. What is so hard to accept intent regarding hate crimes?

Not Yet Equal wrote:

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That was in December 2004, When she marched with the now-disgraced, scandal-ridden Bishop Eddie Long that year in a march against marriage equality.
"In 2012, at Atlanta’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. rally, the public evolution of Bernice King shocked those in attendance.(GA Voice):
In a passionate, sermon-like speech about building unity, King said she didn’t care if people were Hindu, Buddhist, Islamist, were from the North side or the South side, were black or white, were “heterosexual or homosexual, or gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender”— that all people were needed to create unity.
LGBT people who attended the rally said they were shocked that King – who has a long anti-gay past — actually acknowledged the community in a public speech, but said they were also glad because it shows people can evolve.
As I noted in the 2004 quote, Bernice King was a congregant at Bishop Eddie Long’s New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. One cannot help but believe that that horrific scandal involving the prosperity gospel advocate had an impact on Ms. King. Long settled with four young men who accused him of being a sexual predator under the guise of ministering to them. As civil rights legend Julian Bond observed about Long in 2010:
“He said that homosexuality is worthy of death. He is a raving homophobe,” said the civil rights legend former longtime Georgia legislator.“If [the allegations] are true, it’s just sort of typical of people who are raving homophobes who are secretly homosexual. And who are homophobes because they are filled with so much self-loathing and self-hate that they’ve got to let it come out in some way, and it comes out in homophobia.”
In the wake of this, Bernice King left New Birth, and clearly, with her appearance at this year’s MLK Day, she wanted the public to see her evolution on the matter of the civil rights – and the inclusion of LGBTs in that social justice fight.
Paulina Helm-Hernandez, the LGBT honorary grand marshal for today’s march and rally, said she also was surprised to hear King’s inclusive words.
“I thought it was great. First time I’ve ever heard her say lesbian, gay, bi and trans out loud,” she said.“She said homosexual at first and then corrected herself. It takes a lot of grace to do something like that when you’re on a roll.
We have to allow for people to grow and learn, and it took courage for King to make her statement. With her declaration, we will now see if Bernice King follows the lead of her late mother, Coretta Scott King, and her late sister, Yolanda, in their advocacy of full equality for members of the LGBT community."
http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/01...

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BS Detector wrote:

<quoted text> A person murdered is still dead regardless of the intent. If premeduitation is involved, it's 1st degree murder. "Hate crime" designation involves penalty enhancements. One person is deemed more important because he was (fill in the arbitrary blank). I disagree.

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BS Detector wrote:

<quoted text> Enjoy your continued word games. You just forfeit being taken seriously.

realist wrote:

<quoted text>I'm not the one playing word games and no one is taking you seriosly.