created by: Abdull | Jun 13, 2009

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The Moors were not black, they were middle eastern

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“I have finally found my voice”

Since: May 09

Burnsville, MN

#1 Jun 13, 2009
In every European accouant it say the moors were arabs, they were not black like loser Afrocentric claim, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons... look at this people they don't look black at all to me
The description Moors has referred to several historic and modern populations of Muslim (and earlier non-Muslim) people of Berber and Arab descent from North Africa, some of whom came to conquer and occupy the Iberian Peninsula for nearly 800 years. The North Africans termed it Al Andalus, comprising most of what is now Spain and Portugal. Moors are not distinct or self-defined people, but the appellation was applied by medieval and early modern Europeans primarily to Berbers, but also Arabs, and Muslim Iberians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
Only crazy Afrocentric loser black historians claim the moors black..
A moorish family,
http://www.maldivesroyalfamily.com/Images/lan...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/med_moo...
Medival moorish princes, they also don't look black..

Since: Jul 09

Nassau, Bahamas

#3 Jul 27, 2009
The Moors were Black. Arabs are only famous for conquering people's empires in ambush attacks. Go choke on the truth.
Shawn Curtis Lacey

Dallas, TX

#4 Jul 27, 2009
Abdull wrote:
In every European accouant it say the moors were arabs, they were not black like loser Afrocentric claim, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons... look at this people they don't look black at all to me
The description Moors has referred to several historic and modern populations of Muslim (and earlier non-Muslim) people of Berber and Arab descent from North Africa, some of whom came to conquer and occupy the Iberian Peninsula for nearly 800 years. The North Africans termed it Al Andalus, comprising most of what is now Spain and Portugal. Moors are not distinct or self-defined people, but the appellation was applied by medieval and early modern Europeans primarily to Berbers, but also Arabs, and Muslim Iberians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
Only crazy Afrocentric loser black historians claim the moors black..
A moorish family,
http://www.maldivesroyalfamily.com/Images/lan...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/med_moo...
Medival moorish princes, they also don't look black..
You might know a few things, but you know absolutely nothing about Moors and current day Morocco. If Arabs are or were Moors then why all arabs are not called Moors? There should be a Moorish culture in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Algeria and the likes. Do keep in mind that a current day Arab can be of African decent, but I am not referring to that. Before the Arabs came to Northern Africa or Morocco in 637 AD, the area was totally black. The Africans had NEVER seen an Arab of any kind. What tribes do you think historically lived there? Now allow me to educated you, the Moors and the Mandingos were the tribes that were there. They had to embrace Islam in order to live. Arabs or muslims have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Moors in its inception. Even after almost fourteen centuries of mixing with the arabs, there are still moroccons that look 100% Africans.
huh

Quarley, UK

#5 Jul 27, 2009
Moors existed before the arabs came into africa ,ever heard of ancient mauretania? Moors are basically berbers

Look it up Arab boy,

P.S i bet the berbers hate your Arab ass

“The Ah-Nizzle”

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Since: Nov 07

Los Angeles

#6 Jul 27, 2009
Abdull wrote:
In every European accouant it say the moors were arabs, they were not black like loser Afrocentric claim, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons... look at this people they don't look black at all to me
The description Moors has referred to several historic and modern populations of Muslim (and earlier non-Muslim) people of Berber and Arab descent from North Africa, some of whom came to conquer and occupy the Iberian Peninsula for nearly 800 years. The North Africans termed it Al Andalus, comprising most of what is now Spain and Portugal. Moors are not distinct or self-defined people, but the appellation was applied by medieval and early modern Europeans primarily to Berbers, but also Arabs, and Muslim Iberians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
Only crazy Afrocentric loser black historians claim the moors black..
A moorish family,
http://www.maldivesroyalfamily.com/Images/lan...
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/med_moo...
Medival moorish princes, they also don't look black..
How can the moors be middle eastern when they have been in North Africa for over 10,000. Middle easterns didn`t come into Africa until the 600`s A.D. LMAO. At least you tried. NEXT ..........
Pere du Champ

Morgantown, WV

#7 Jul 27, 2009
A LOT OF CONFUSION!!!

Morocco was not black, it was Berber. The Moors were BERBER. AMAZIGH. etc., there are many of their own names for themselves. The majority of the population TODAY of Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and probably Tunisia as well is BERBER.

Tariq, the king who conquered Iberia, was a BERBER. The Berbers are argued about in here too. They were of Eurasian origin but had been in N Africa for 30,000 years. The pure old type of Berber is the Guanche who were on the Canaries when the Spanish got there.

Naturally over so much time, Berbers have mixed. Most of the mixture has been with AFRICANS to the south, not ARABS! So in southern Morocco there are Berbers who are quite "black". In Algeria there are blond ones. Mostly they look like the general Mediterranean-Mideastern type.

Their ancestors were from SW Asia, the "Mideast". They were very similar to the Cro-Magnons who migrated into Europe. Other modern peoples who were related to them back then include the Mideastern Semites of today (Iraqis, Syrians, Jews, etc.).

A black Moor could have been a southern Moroccan Berber. Or a Mande, Fulani, etc. They were also present. Arabs were also present. BUT the majority of "Moors" were BERBERS and mostly not "black".
Pere du Champ

Morgantown, WV

#8 Jul 27, 2009
PS Today if you look for people with the ethnic name "Moors", you will find them in Mauritania. I've seen video of them. They look "black" to me, by USA standards. They are noted for raising horses.

THESE are the people who went south beyond Morocco when Spain was retaken by the Spanish. I do not know what was their origin before they were "Moors". My suspicion is that they were W Africans who were horse breeders and trainers who served that role in the Moorish armies, and after it was over they went back in the direction from which they'd come.
Mamiata

Livingston, NJ

#9 Jul 27, 2009
Moors onmaclit

“I have finally found my voice”

Since: May 09

Burnsville, MN

#10 Jul 27, 2009
huh wrote:
Moors existed before the arabs came into africa ,ever heard of ancient mauretania? Moors are basically berbers
Look it up Arab boy,
P.S i bet the berbers hate your Arab ass
I don't care if the berbers hate me, I am and arab, and I don't want to be anything else, I am an Arabcentric, I love my culture with all my heart, when I go back to my country next year after I am finished with highschool I want to marry a beautiful arab girl, be a local doctor, and live all my years in peace in Riyadh, inshalla I will have a good home with freindly arab neighbors.. So berbers can kiss my Arab ass for all I care..

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Since: Jul 08

Edmonton, Canada

#11 Jul 27, 2009
IsraeliteAA wrote:
The Moors were Black. Arabs are only famous for conquering people's empires in ambush attacks. Go choke on the truth.
Idiot the Moors where not kuffars like you, they were muslims of mainly North African Berbers and Arabs... You hate muslims and Arabs and yet you claim their achievement and history..why is that.

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Since: Jul 08

Edmonton, Canada

#12 Jul 27, 2009
Not Moors....Muslims of Spain

By the middle of the 8th century, the Muslims had completed their occupation and the Umayyad prince Abd al-Rahman, who had fled from the Abbasid slaughter of 750 A.D., took refuge among the Berbers. Finally, supported by one of the Peninsular Muslims tribes, the Yemenies, he managed to defeat, in 755, the Abbasid governor of Al-Andalus and have himself proclaimed in Cordoba Emir, independent of Damascus. In the first thrid of the 10th century, one of the Spanish Umayyads, Abd al- Rahman III, restored and extended the Al-Andalus emirate and became the first Spanish Caliph.

The proclamation of the Caliphate had a double purpose. In the interior, the Umayyads wanted to strenghten the Peninsular kingdom. Outside the country, they wanted to consolidate the commercial routes of the Mediterranean, guarantee an economic relationship with the east-Byzantium, and assure the supply of gold. Melilla was occupied in 927 and, by the middle of the same century, the Umayyad controlled the triangle formed by Algeria, Siyimasa and the Atlantic. The power of the Andalucian Caliphate also extended to western Europe, and by 950, the Germano-Roman empire was exchanging ambassadors with the Cordoban Caliphate. A few years prior, Hugo of Arles appealed to the powerful Spanish Caliphate for safe conduct f r his merchant ships in the Mediteranean. The small Christian strongholds in the north of the Peninsula became modest feudal holdings of the Caliphate, recognizing its superiority and arbitrage.

The foundations of Andalucian hegemony rested on a considerable economic capacity based on important trade, a developed craft industry and an agriculture know-how which was much more efficient than anything else in the rest of Europe. The Cordoban caliphate had a currency-based economy, and the injection of coinage played a central role in its financial splendour. The gold Cordobes coin became the principal currency of the period and was probably imitated by the Carolingian empire.

Therefore, the Cordoban caliphate was the first urban and commercial economy that had flourished in Europe since the disappearance of the Roman Wmpire. The capital and most important city of the Caliphate, Cordoba, had some 100,000 inhabitants, making it Europe's principal urban concentration during that epoch.

Muslim Spain produced a flourishing culture, aboce all after the Caliph Al-Hakam II (961-976) came to power. He is credited with founding a library of hundreds of thousands of volumes, which was practically inconceivable in Europe at that time. The most distinctive feature of this calture was the early readoption of classical philosophy by Ibn Masarra, Abentofain, Averroes and the Jew Maimonide. But the Spanish-Muslim thinkers stood out, abouve all in medicine, mathematics andastronomy.

“aka L-RAY”

Since: Jun 09

A-town

#13 Jul 27, 2009
Pere du Champ wrote:
A LOT OF CONFUSION!!!
Morocco was not black, it was Berber. The Moors were BERBER. AMAZIGH. etc., there are many of their own names for themselves. The majority of the population TODAY of Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and probably Tunisia as well is BERBER.
Tariq, the king who conquered Iberia, was a BERBER. The Berbers are argued about in here too. They were of Eurasian origin but had been in N Africa for 30,000 years. The pure old type of Berber is the Guanche who were on the Canaries when the Spanish got there.
Naturally over so much time, Berbers have mixed. Most of the mixture has been with AFRICANS to the south, not ARABS! So in southern Morocco there are Berbers who are quite "black". In Algeria there are blond ones. Mostly they look like the general Mediterranean-Mideastern type.
Their ancestors were from SW Asia, the "Mideast". They were very similar to the Cro-Magnons who migrated into Europe. Other modern peoples who were related to them back then include the Mideastern Semites of today (Iraqis, Syrians, Jews, etc.).
A black Moor could have been a southern Moroccan Berber. Or a Mande, Fulani, etc. They were also present. Arabs were also present. BUT the majority of "Moors" were BERBERS and mostly not "black".
wrong the word Moor means black so obviously most if not all Moors were blacks or they wouldn't be labeled as such if only few were blacks like your implying..

Berbers is a term created by the Eurocentric to steal African history and hide their slave history...Many of the lightskin mixed looking people you call Berbers are decendent of European slaves brought to North AFrica by Moor and arab..

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.h...

Saying Berbers are the original Moors is as equivalent to saying Brazilian blacks are the original Portuguese.

the original and pure Moors were/are blacks

http://africanglory.com/catalog/images/BBCDoc...

http://www.thechessdrum.net/historicmoments/H...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P_iPjMKraO8/SgxFr3H...

Level 1

Since: Jul 08

Edmonton, Canada

#14 Jul 27, 2009
c diddy wrote:
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wrong the word Moor means black so obviously most if not all Moors were blacks or they wouldn't be labeled as such if only few were blacks like your implying..
Berbers is a term created by the Eurocentric to steal African history and hide their slave history...Many of the lightskin mixed looking people you call Berbers are decendent of European slaves brought to North AFrica by Moor and arab..
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.h...
Saying Berbers are the original Moors is as equivalent to saying Brazilian blacks are the original Portuguese.
the original and pure Moors were/are blacks
http://africanglory.com/catalog/images/BBCDoc...
http://www.th echessdruer m.net/historicmoments/HM_sepoct02.html
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_P_iPjMKraO8/SgxFr3H...
When will you wake up from your fantasy world C-idiot???

Moors=Muslims of Spain( mainly Arabs and Berbers...they were either called Ummayyad Khilifat or Muslims of Spain.)

“Lucky charm”

Since: Dec 08

where lost souls gather

#15 Jul 27, 2009
Garxajis wrote:
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When will you wake up from your fantasy world C-idiot???
Moors=Muslims of Spain( mainly Arabs and Berbers...they were either called Ummayyad Khilifat or Muslims of Spain.)
The Moors were Muslims black muslims, you ignorant a$$wh*l3.
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Level 1

Since: Jul 08

Edmonton, Canada

#16 Jul 28, 2009
Lucky-777 wrote:
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The Moors were Muslims black muslims, you ignorant a$$wh*l3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =E4Xd9N67xNsXX&feature=cha nnel_page
Ignorant?? At least learn who the Ummayyed were before you call me ignorant, and later North Africans who converted to Islam. if you think they were based on race you would be disappointed.

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Since: Jan 09

Ta netjer - D.L.

#17 Jul 28, 2009
Look at this pic, this is was made by ancestors of berber 3000 B.C. in Algeri, so i am asking you, they were black or white????????
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tassili_lad...

“Not African, we're Orginal!”

Since: Sep 08

The World

#18 Jul 28, 2009
What people don't understand and easily forget is that the term Moor predates Muhammad's (who had a pitch-black grandfather) Islam.

“Lucky charm”

Since: Dec 08

where lost souls gather

#19 Jul 28, 2009
Garxajis wrote:
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Ignorant?? At least learn who the Ummayyed were before you call me ignorant, and later North Africans who converted to Islam. if you think they were based on race you would be disappointed.
I'm sorry I dont like to fall for the whole race thing myself, but white people have their history and I will have mine. You dont find it odd that Moors on screen have always been portrayed by African American Actors? Where did all these moors go? If they were Berbers or Arabs why dont they refer to themselves as moors today?
Heres a scene from True Romance that might make it quite clear for you.

Level 2

Since: Jan 09

Ta netjer - D.L.

#20 Jul 28, 2009
Kobena wrote:
What people don't understand and easily forget is that the term Moor predates Muhammad's (who had a pitch-black grandfather) Islam.
The english word moor come from spanish language and it was reffered about north africans, therefore berbers that live there...
Arabs were called in another way, you are off-topic

“The Ah-Nizzle”

Level 2

Since: Nov 07

Los Angeles

#21 Jul 28, 2009
THE REAL HABESHA wrote:
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The english word moor come from spanish language and it was reffered about north africans, therefore berbers that live there...
Arabs were called in another way, you are off-topic
Even though Moor was reffered to the people of North Africa all the Different Latin versions of the word such as Mauro, and Morro does actually reffer to black skin. Berbers are tanned to olive oiled. Even back then people knew about color and could differenciate. Prior to the "N" word, that`s what Europeans would call blacks. "Moor". You can refffer to many Shakepeare plays and writings and everytime the word Moor was refferenced it was in regards to a Blackman of the islamic faith in a slurish way. Spaniards and Portoguese are 8% African geneticlly. Not the North African caucasian gene cuz that goes right into the european genetic pool, but mainly East and North Black African with minimal West African (Ethiopian, Sudanese, Chadanese, Black Egyptian, Somolian, Malian, Black Lybian).

In those times Empires used slaves as foot soldiers. Strategiclly if your invading from Africa you`d have African slaves. I`ve posted the link before (i`m still trying to find it), but it stated that on 4/29/711 general Tariq Ibn Ziyad invaded Gibraltor with 6,000 Sudanese soldiers and 300 Arabs. If you look at the disparity then you`d know who where the main ones fighting and the main ones who were going to survive after the battle. Many of those Sudanese men mated with Spanish and Portoguses women. As trade and the economical advantages of the invasion came to be, then more and more Berbers, and Arabs logiclly would make that move into Europe.

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