Racism row rocks parliament in France

http://www.euronews.net/2012/02/07/racism-row...
Furore in the French parliament as MPs from the ruling centre-right party walked out in protest after an opposition member appeared to compare the interior minister’s stance to that of the Nazis.

Serge Letchimy, a socialist ally representing Martinique, attacked Claude Gueant over his comments that not all civilisations were equal.

He accused him of implying that some were superior, a negation of humanity’s richness.

“Mr Gueant, you are dragging us back to the days of those European ideologies which gave birth to the concentration camps. Mr Gueant, the Nazi regime – so worried about purification – was that a civilisation?” said Letchimy.

The row comes amid heightened pre-election tension. Claude Gueant has been accused of trying to woo potential far-right voters with its hardline on immigration and Muslim issues.

Later on French television the socialist presidential candidate for the Elysee Francois Hollande refused to condemn his colleague.

“What I disapprove of is this useless controversy. It’s these wounding divisions, it’s this strife… do you realise an interior minister who should be putting the country in order, that’s his peaceful mission, has just fanned the flames of division and discord, that’s enough!” said Francois Hollande.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who employed Gueant as a close aide before making him interior minister, trails his socialist rival by eight points according to one poll this week.

With the National Front leader Marine Le Pen running a close third, those right wing votes could be decisive in April’s election

Oh great, now here comes Attai to scream about AIPAC! Breivik! Kahane! Attila the Hun!... and so on.

All civilizations are not equal... well, one could argue about that forever. Well, they're not equivalent... but "equal"? What the hell does that mean?

Islam sucks, but that's beside the point.

We all have our favorite places... my favorite countries are Mexico, Spain, France, Israel and India... so does that make me a bigot against all the others?

Barros Serrano wrote:

Oh great, now here comes Attai to scream about AIPAC! Breivik! Kahane! Attila the Hun!... and so on.
All civilizations are not equal... well, one could argue about that forever. Well, they're not equivalent... but "equal"? What the hell does that mean?
Islam sucks, but that's beside the point.
We all have our favorite places... my favorite countries are Mexico, Spain, France, Israel and India... so does that make me a bigot against all the others?

Attai sure loves bashing Israel while ignoring the Islanic threat in his own house.

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Attai sure loves bashing Israel while ignoring the Islanic threat in his own house.

In France, the greatest threat to freedom comes from the political right; and the gentleman from Martinique was quite on time for calling out the racists.
One difference is probably that in France the religious right is not as influential as in the USA.
As it has been twenty years since my last trip to France, I cannot any longer convey on the ground impressions about the Muslim minority over there.
What I saw then was the the North Africans tended to be as secular as anyone else, or at least the younger ones were.

There's something in the cultural climate of France which seems to secularize folk. If it doesn't turn you into an atheistm then you become a very "liberalize" Catholic like Attai, or maybe only nominally Christian. The same seemed to be the case with so many of the Muslims I met there. Nominally committed at best.
But how much that has changed I don't know. And it may be different in the smaller towns than the big cities.

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Attai sure loves bashing Israel while ignoring the Islanic threat in his own house.

Also, it ought to be acknowledged that in France, as in America, the scary spectre of militant Islam is a tool (not unlike Communism) used to frighten people into submission to authoritarian rule.

Savant wrote:

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Also, it ought to be acknowledged that in France, as in America, the scary spectre of militant Islam is a tool (not unlike Communism) used to frighten people into submission to authoritarian rule.

Well the muslim population in France is well known for their refusal to accomadate to French society.

Savant wrote:

<quoted text>
In France, the greatest threat to freedom comes from the political right; and the gentleman from Martinique was quite on time for calling out the racists.
One difference is probably that in France the religious right is not as influential as in the USA.
As it has been twenty years since my last trip to France, I cannot any longer convey on the ground impressions about the Muslim minority over there.
What I saw then was the the North Africans tended to be as secular as anyone else, or at least the younger ones were.
There's something in the cultural climate of France which seems to secularize folk. If it doesn't turn you into an atheistm then you become a very "liberalize" Catholic like Attai, or maybe only nominally Christian. The same seemed to be the case with so many of the Muslims I met there. Nominally committed at best.
But how much that has changed I don't know. And it may be different in the smaller towns than the big cities.

Twenty years, damn. How old are you? That is almost my age.

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Attai sure loves bashing Israel while ignoring the Islanic threat in his own house.

Sir,

i do bash the rogue state of Israel indeed like everybody who is looking at facts and figures. i urge you to read a brilliant academic study on the evil mafioso organisation called AIPAC :

The Israel lobby and US Foreign Policy.

You have a Wikki file on it, i bought it in French and read it. Any US citizen should have this book at home.

Guéant is not addressing this nor Representative (Black man from Martinique) Letchimy this question. i'll put another on topic post about the real debate in France.

a whiteboi

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Well the muslim population in France is well known for their refusal to accomadate to French society.

Sir,

"well known" ? You should be more careful sir on your info sources, especially if it comes from Tea-party/neo-cons websites or worst AIPAC.

Islam is today the second religion in my country, though very far beneath Catholicism. The French constitution is providing freedom of conscience and freedom of religion.
The 2005 urban riots involved Arab French, African French and whites in roughly equal proportion, maybe a little more ... whites.
They were motivated by discrimination, police racism - as in the USA - and above all unemployment, poverty in these bad "banlieues", the equivalent of the "projects" in US cities.
Islam plays a little part in this and more as a moderator of violence than the opposite.

Now back to Guéant, the overtly racist Home Secretary of the vicious, nasty, despicable president Sarkozy, the French W.
Sarkozy in 2008 created a row already in insulting Africans with a rancid colonial speech, already claiming the "superiority" of white european civilization and considering Africa had been left "outside" History.

Guéant was hunting Romanian gypsies in 2010 which urged a protest by several Catholic bishops shocked by the memory of the Vichy regime persecution of Gypsies.
Guéant issued a decree in May 2011 to expel foreign students as much as he can, in particular Africans. This caused another row even rightist politicians were outraged by this stupid text.

Basically Guéant is in charge of collecting Far-Right votes for his fledgling president Sarkozy : the prez is wishing to block Marine le Pen for being a legal candidate and so presenting himself as the righ+far-right candidate. Imagine a ticket Romney-David Duke to give you an analogy with US politics.

Representative Letchimy was outraged as a Black man, coming from slavery and colonialism, to hear a stupid apology of the so-called absolute superiority of the so-called white civilization.
If you have some French, you can visit the personal blog of Representative Letchimy and see that 90% of those posting comments and reactions are HIGHLY laudatory for Mr Letchimy. Among these mine.

Moreover this Guéant policy is a trick to divert public attention from unemployment, euro crisis, economic troubles, social injustice in which Sarkozy holds some heavy responsibility.
For a large majority of French people, Islam is in no way a concern : we live along French Muslims without much problem except in specific cases and areas.

a whiteboi

oops i forgot the link :

http://www.serge-letchimy.fr/

a video of the député Letchimy's speech that was cut in the end by the disruption of the French ministers and the grotesque rightist representatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Letchimy is the successor of the great Black poet Aimé Césaire as president of Césaire's party, parti progressiste martiniquais.

The xenophobic, especially anti-African, stance of Guéant is dividing French people and you have guessed i am mong those who are fighting this hard. Guéant will most likely be ousted with the defeat of the infamous Sarkozy.

a whiteboi

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Well the muslim population in France is well known for their refusal to accomadate to French society.

LOL! The FRENCH are known for their refusal to accomodate to French society.

In fact, the "Muslim" population is so diverse in its attitudes and lifestyles, that's unclear what accomodation would mean.
There are the shopkeepers, the common laborers, the intellectuals, the school teachers, cab drivers, leftist activists, traditionalists, seculars, Marxists, etc.
You see, when I was there talking to folk in preparation for an article about the problems of racism and the immigrants, I hung out in places where they are, and talked often to many of them.
The older ones tend to be more traditionalist than the younger ones. Many of the younger ones are only nominanlly Muslim.
Their attitudes are much like general French attitudes.
Of course, French racism affects the way they view the society and each other.
Interestingly enough, French racists view North Africans in much the way many whites view American Blacks: as a criminal and pathological race.

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Twenty years, damn. How old are you? That is almost my age.

Let's just say that Barack Obama and I were at university at about the same time.
While he was at Harvard studying Law, I was at Vanderbilt studying Philosophy

attai1 wrote:

oops i forgot the link :
http://www.serge-letchimy.fr/
a video of the député Letchimy's speech that was cut in the end by the disruption of the French ministers and the grotesque rightist representatives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Letchimy is the successor of the great Black poet Aimé Césaire as president of Césaire's party, parti progressiste martiniquais.
The xenophobic, especially anti-African, stance of Guéant is dividing French people and you have guessed i am mong those who are fighting this hard. Guéant will most likely be ousted with the defeat of the infamous Sarkozy.
a whiteboi

By the way, I sent you privately some info on Dr. King related to the book I'm publishing. Let me know if you didn't get a chapter with the rest of the info.
I'd like to meet Stephane Hessel if I ever get my money together for another trip to France

Savant wrote:

<quoted text>
By the way, I sent you privately some info on Dr. King related to the book I'm publishing. Let me know if you didn't get a chapter with the rest of the info.
I'd like to meet Stephane Hessel if I ever get my money together for another trip to France

yes thank you Sir.
You will be able to meet me again and you're invited in advance to some good French restaurant :-)

i've never seen him for real, only on Tv and listened to him on the radio several times.

a whiteboi

Savant wrote:

<quoted text>
In France, the greatest threat to freedom comes from the political right; and the gentleman from Martinique was quite on time for calling out the racists.
One difference is probably that in France the religious right is not as influential as in the USA.
As it has been twenty years since my last trip to France, I cannot any longer convey on the ground impressions about the Muslim minority over there.
What I saw then was the the North Africans tended to be as secular as anyone else, or at least the younger ones were.
There's something in the cultural climate of France which seems to secularize folk. If it doesn't turn you into an atheistm then you become a very "liberalize" Catholic like Attai, or maybe only nominally Christian. The same seemed to be the case with so many of the Muslims I met there. Nominally committed at best.
But how much that has changed I don't know. And it may be different in the smaller towns than the big cities.

The political right may pursue policies we don't like, but a greater threat to freedom than Islam? Hardly.

In France as anywhere Muslims infiltrate en masse, the threat comes from sharia, intolerance of women's freedom, and the other concomitants of Islam.

Even if the FN took the Presidency, would one's freedom of speech be suddenly stifled in France? But if Muslims took power? Yes... they forbid even any criticism of their filthy religion or their vile perverted false prophet.

The Left needs to wake up from its delusion that "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" includes any fake-religion fascist social system that comes along... and the one currently constituting a problem is Islam. Leftist feminists in Europe even pretend that the veil constitutes "women's empowerment"! LOL!!! Does anyone familiar with Islam really believe that? Does even the FN constitute such a threat to women's rights as Islam? Not be a long shot...

The pattern of Islamocoddling in Europe is frightening. Geert Wilders is branded "ultra-right" for telling the truth about Islam, any critic of imam's screaming for the death of freedom is labelled a "racist"... this madness has NOT inflicted all Europeans, and when they do finally elect the NF and BNP and so on, who is to blame? Attai!

attai1 wrote:

<quoted text>
Sir,
"well known" ? You should be more careful sir on your info sources, especially if it comes from Tea-party/neo-cons websites or worst AIPAC.
Islam is today the second religion in my country, though very far beneath Catholicism. The French constitution is providing freedom of conscience and freedom of religion.
The 2005 urban riots involved Arab French, African French and whites in roughly equal proportion, maybe a little more ... whites.
They were motivated by discrimination, police racism - as in the USA - and above all unemployment, poverty in these bad "banlieues", the equivalent of the "projects" in US cities.
Islam plays a little part in this and more as a moderator of violence than the opposite.
Now back to Guéant, the overtly racist Home Secretary of the vicious, nasty, despicable president Sarkozy, the French W.
Sarkozy in 2008 created a row already in insulting Africans with a rancid colonial speech, already claiming the "superiority" of white european civilization and considering Africa had been left "outside" History.
Guéant was hunting Romanian gypsies in 2010 which urged a protest by several Catholic bishops shocked by the memory of the Vichy regime persecution of Gypsies.
Guéant issued a decree in May 2011 to expel foreign students as much as he can, in particular Africans. This caused another row even rightist politicians were outraged by this stupid text.
Basically Guéant is in charge of collecting Far-Right votes for his fledgling president Sarkozy : the prez is wishing to block Marine le Pen for being a legal candidate and so presenting himself as the righ+far-right candidate. Imagine a ticket Romney-David Duke to give you an analogy with US politics.
Representative Letchimy was outraged as a Black man, coming from slavery and colonialism, to hear a stupid apology of the so-called absolute superiority of the so-called white civilization.
If you have some French, you can visit the personal blog of Representative Letchimy and see that 90% of those posting comments and reactions are HIGHLY laudatory for Mr Letchimy. Among these mine.
Moreover this Guéant policy is a trick to divert public attention from unemployment, euro crisis, economic troubles, social injustice in which Sarkozy holds some heavy responsibility.
For a large majority of French people, Islam is in no way a concern : we live along French Muslims without much problem except in specific cases and areas.
a whiteboi

As always, the Jew-hating Islamosycophants must lie...

Muslims are notorious for refusing to accommodate to ANY country they infiltrate, and this includes France. They are instead being ACCOMMODATED by misguided governments such as that of the UK and now to some extent the USA.

Muslims pretending to be peaceful when they haven't the power to openly assault freedom, engage in a "stealth jihad", one aspect of which is demographic.

First they want pork removed from school cafeterias (this was never done for Jews!), and next they'll insist that ALL women cover themselves to avoid offending the sensibilities of Muslims!
I endeavor to eat a ham sandwich when in the presence of Muslims, whenever possible, and exclaim loudly, OH DAMN THAT IS SOME GOOD SWINE FLESH!!! YUMMMY YUMMMY PORK OH YEAH!!!

I also urge all freedom-loving people when finding yourself in the presence of Muslims, engage loudly in discussions of how Mohammed was a false prophet, Islam is a lie, and the Koran was inspired by Lucifer! You have the RIGHT to say this do you not?

LONG LIVE FREEDOM!

some of us need islam, like me.
without islam i would be very screwed up.

trust me.

emperorjohn wrote:

<quoted text>Twenty years, damn. How old are you? That is almost my age.

how old are you? and i am probably older than you since i am 19.
but my mental age is 25.

you are still child and your still at that age where you follow the media. once you get older you will have your own experience with muslims and you can make your judgement from there.

Savant wrote:

<quoted text>
By the way, I sent you privately some info on Dr. King related to the book I'm publishing. Let me know if you didn't get a chapter with the rest of the info.
I'd like to meet Stephane Hessel if I ever get my money together for another trip to France

dude congrats on tht. i am sure your book will be great

Barros Serrano wrote:

<quoted text>
The political right may pursue policies we don't like, but a greater threat to freedom than Islam? Hardly.

What a nonsensical typical mad Zionist cr*p.

As some say, you are undoubtedly a "devil", a deceiver.

i notice the "may pursue" which is a way to endorse Far-right policies !
Not a surprise coming from a Far-right agent of AIPAC, you are worse than Marine Le Pen and SBT altogether. Viciousness and craziness united.

a whiteboi