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Jul 23, 2008

Affidavit says pool president knew of safety law

A swimming pool company president charged with second-degree manslaughter in connection with the drowning of a 6-year-old boy had been told about a law requiring a safety device but failed to install it in the ...

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Jul 23, 2008
 
The affidavit quotes Lionetti's attorney as saying Shoreline Pools was not aware that a state law passed in 2003 and effective in 2004 required the device.

Since when did 'ignorance of the law' provide the basis of a not guilty plea?
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get the facts first... there is so much more to the story.... The Lionetti family are good people... and are always looking for ways to improve and help their customers.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
hmmm wrote:
get the facts first... there is so much more to the story.... The Lionetti family are good people... and are always looking for ways to improve and help their customers.
If the affidavit did not state the facts, what are the facts? I'm just copying and pasting from the article. I'm sure the family is upstanding but when I was brought up it was well know that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. I'm sure any judge reviewing the case will consider that as well.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
it's on the shoreline web site that CT state law requires the vacuum pump disabler. That appears to me to represent awareness of the law.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
Sharpshooter wrote:
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If the affidavit did not state the facts, what are the facts? I'm just copying and pasting from the article. I'm sure the family is upstanding but when I was brought up it was well know that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. I'm sure any judge reviewing the case will consider that as well.
It is not that black and white.

Manslaughter cases may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of:
1. Provocation.
2. Mutual combat.
3. Resistance to public officers, etc.
4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act.
5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority.

I will imagine either 4 or 5 will apply. But in case 4, the prosecution will have to prove "unlawful and wanton". In case 5, the prosecution will probably argue that the act was performed with lawful authority since the pool inspector signed off on it.

As more facts are revealed, the picture will become clearer. But if an affidavit from a chief competitor is the prosecutions only evidence, the case is not sounding too strong since the credibility and motive of the witness can always be questioned, thus casting a reasonable doubt in the eyes of the jury.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
The Truth wrote:
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It is not that black and white.
Manslaughter cases may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of:
1. Provocation.
2. Mutual combat.
3. Resistance to public officers, etc.
4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act.
5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority.
I will imagine either 4 or 5 will apply. But in case 4, the prosecution will have to prove "unlawful and wanton". In case 5, the prosecution will probably argue that the act was performed with lawful authority since the pool inspector signed off on it.
As more facts are revealed, the picture will become clearer. But if an affidavit from a chief competitor is the prosecutions only evidence, the case is not sounding too strong since the credibility and motive of the witness can always be questioned, thus casting a reasonable doubt in the eyes of the jury.
Well stated....thank you.
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why did the pool pass inspection if this devise was not in place??? If the pool was not or did not pass inspected yet the home owner should not have used it
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it's on the shoreline web site that CT state law requires the vacuum pump disabler. That appears to me to represent awareness of the law.
Sure they are aware now, but that doesn't prove they were aware when the pool was installed. The story said he was told about the law in November 2005 but the pool permit was issued before that. Ultimately you pay the town for a permit and they are supposed to enforce the code, the building department failed to enforce the code so they are more culpable in my mind.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
The Truth wrote:
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It is not that black and white.
Manslaughter cases may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of:
1. Provocation.
2. Mutual combat.
3. Resistance to public officers, etc.
4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act.
5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority.
I will imagine either 4 or 5 will apply. But in case 4, the prosecution will have to prove "unlawful and wanton". In case 5, the prosecution will probably argue that the act was performed with lawful authority since the pool inspector signed off on it.
As more facts are revealed, the picture will become clearer. But if an affidavit from a chief competitor is the prosecutions only evidence, the case is not sounding too strong since the credibility and motive of the witness can always be questioned, thus casting a reasonable doubt in the eyes of the jury.
CORRECTION: In case 5, it is the defense that will make that argument.
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drown him and call it even
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drown him and call it even
Welcome to the 19th century. Perhaps some day you'd like to join us in the 21st century.

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drown him and call it even
I would consider having your entire business burn down to the ground and being arrested for Manslaughter, drowning.

Your statement is not even funny.
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The Truth wrote:
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Welcome to the 19th century. Perhaps some day you'd like to join us in the 21st century.
dont agree with the death penalty?maybe u should take care of those people.this guy knew of the situation and choose to look the other way ,pay back's a bitch
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Jul 23, 2008
 
chosen1 wrote:
drown him and call it even
C'mon, criminals are fun. Live a little, laws are for suckaz.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
Sharpshooter wrote:
The affidavit quotes Lionetti's attorney as saying Shoreline Pools was not aware that a state law passed in 2003 and effective in 2004 required the device.
Since when did 'ignorance of the law' provide the basis of a not guilty plea?
First off there is a difference between code and law.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
Sharpshooter wrote:
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If the affidavit did not state the facts, what are the facts? I'm just copying and pasting from the article. I'm sure the family is upstanding but when I was brought up it was well know that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. I'm sure any judge reviewing the case will consider that as well.
You are looking at it as a simple black and white thing and its not, and to make a prediction here if his lawyers has any balls this charge will be thrown out as baseless.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
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<quoted text>dont agree with the death penalty?maybe u should take care of those people.this guy knew of the situation and choose to look the other way ,pay back's a bitch
You are WRONG. And the business didn't burn down. If you knew anything about them, you would know that they are so well known that they have more than one location.(I think 4 sites)... only 1/2 of one burned down.. you can drive by and take a look. If you don't believe in the death penalty, then why would you say he should drown... sounds like you are on the fence. There is no need to wish harm on anyone, no matter how rude you are.
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Proud Mamma wrote:
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I would consider having your entire business burn down to the ground and being arrested for Manslaughter, drowning.
Your statement is not even funny.
The entire business didn't burn down.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
chosen1 wrote:
<quoted text>dont agree with the death penalty?maybe u should take care of those people.this guy knew of the situation and choose to look the other way ,pay back's a bitch
And ignorance is the devil's tool...
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Jul 23, 2008
 
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