Lawmakers question 1-year sentence for man convicted of raping 4-year-old girl

Jose Guerrero wrote:

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Where I come from there es no such thin as repeat offenders. the familia takes care o that. pendejo

I get it, no one is offended if they keep it in the family down there! Wink, wink, wink, say no more.

I agree with Jose Guerrero, you harm my child and then shame on me. I would go to sleep and wake up with vengences on my mind. Clearly our law only protects the quilty. They have all the rights and victim has none.
If this was my child I would have to add two more people to my "say goodbye to my little friend" list.

jewel wrote:

Clearly our law only protects the quilty.

They have all the rights and victim has none.

1) In regards to criminal law, the state is the victim.

2) The person that you thought was a victim, is actually a "witness".

3) If the witness is unwilling to testify on behalf of the state and in the absense of material evidence, the state can be satisfied with not having to make the taxpayer suffer the cost of a risky criminal trial by offering the accused a plea agreement.

4) A person accused of violating the state has a right to due process, if you don't like it, find some military veteran and confront him with your complaints about the US Constitution that serviceman swore a lifetime oath to "support and defend".

Richard_ wrote:

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1) In regards to criminal law, the state is the victim.
2) The person that you thought was a victim, is actually a "witness".
3) If the witness is unwilling to testify on behalf of the state and in the absense of material evidence, the state can be satisfied with not having to make the taxpayer suffer the cost of a risky criminal trial by offering the accused a plea agreement.
4) A person accused of violating the state has a right to due process, if you don't like it, find some military veteran and confront him with your complaints about the US Constitution that serviceman swore a lifetime oath to "support and defend".

In the case of my 8 year old Grand-daughter. She did go through the grueling testimony, with the defense attorney trying his best to shake her up, she did excellent! Then the plea deal went down to 6 month in county jail as a trustee. she had to suffer at the hands of the court, and had the DA not accepted, or offered that at such a late date, the perp might have spent more time for his Second Offense, at the hands of the court. Its not what you've done, It's who you know! I can't help but wonder how many other little girls he has messed with in the last 15 years.

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In the case of my 8 year old Grand-daughter. She did go through the grueling testimony, with the defense attorney trying his best to shake her up, she did excellent! Then the plea deal went down to 6 month in county jail as a trustee. she had to suffer at the hands of the court, and had the DA not accepted, or offered that at such a late date, the perp might have spent more time for his Second Offense, at the hands of the court. Its not what you've done, It's who you know! I can't help but wonder how many other little girls he has messed with in the last 15 years.

Plea deals are made before court date! Sorry, your story is smelling like fish.

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How many more of these child molesters do i HAVE TO READ ABOUT THAT DO NOT RECIEVE JUSTICE AT THE HANDS OF THE COURTS. iF HE WOULD PLEA GUILTY AND TAKE A 1 YEAR sentence he must have been guilty as hell and had sommeone of influence in politics or family.

I have read about the case extensively...and I live in SE Oklahoma. There was very little else the prosecutor or judge could do given the evidence or, more correctly, lack thereof.

The young boy recanted his testimony...and the girl at the last minute said she couldn't remember. There was no physical evidence. It is VERY unlikely a jury in good conscious would have convicted the guy.

The alleged previous history of molestation took place decades ago. Testimony of witnesses in such a stale case is a defense attorney's dream come true. It would have only cast doubt on the recent charges of molestation.

Get off the judge and prosecutor's backs. They did the best they could. They weren't bought off, influenced or are closet molestors themselves (that I know of).

People are rightly outraged by child molestation...as am I. But I don't allow the sensationalism of Heraldo Riveras to color my rational thought.

I mean really, Rivera's phoney outrage must have hid a huge grin. The guy is an attorney and knew very well a conviction in such a case was unlikely.

But he got his ratings...and some "outraged" legislators played to the peanut gallery of the gullible.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>I get it, no one is offended if they keep it in the family down there! Wink, wink, wink, say no more.

LOL Down here in Little Dixie incest is relative....

Richard_ wrote:

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Plea deals are made before court date! Sorry, your story is smelling like fish.

All I can tell you Richard, is that I was there, my grand-daughter was on the stand and grilled thoroughly by her step-dads attorney, the step dad never got on the stand.. He served 6 months in the Cleveland County jail...as a trusty! 2nd offense!
Oh yea, he had a brother named Ricky.....Is that you Richard?

annie58 wrote:

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All I can tell you Richard, is that I was there,

1) my grand-daughter was on the stand and grilled thoroughly by her step-dads attorney,

2) the step dad never got on the stand

3) He served 6 months in the Cleveland County jail

1) Your grand-daughter was a witness for the state. The state can't read the girls mind so therefore the witness for the state had to sit in a chair where people could here the words what come out of her mouth. This is normal occurence. Additionally, the accused does have the right to be confronted by their accuser. If you do not like what is written in the US Constitution, attack a service man who has sworn a lifetime oath to support and defend the US Constitution.

2) A person does not have to convict themselves, they have a 5th amendment right to remain silent. You must have seen a tv show with cops in it, where they read the "miranda warning" to a subject of interest or an accused person. This is nothing new. Once again, military persons swear a lifetime oath to support and defend the US Constitution, tell them how wrong they are in your eyes for doing such a duty.

3) He was sentenced and paid his debt to society. See, there is a happy ending after all.

Richard_ wrote:

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1) Your grand-daughter was a witness for the state. The state can't read the girls mind so therefore the witness for the state had to sit in a chair where people could here the words what come out of her mouth. This is normal occurence. Additionally, the accused does have the right to be confronted by their accuser. If you do not like what is written in the US Constitution, attack a service man who has sworn a lifetime oath to support and defend the US Constitution.
2) A person does not have to convict themselves, they have a 5th amendment right to remain silent. You must have seen a tv show with cops in it, where they read the "miranda warning" to a subject of interest or an accused person. This is nothing new. Once again, military persons swear a lifetime oath to support and defend the US Constitution, tell them how wrong they are in your eyes for doing such a duty.
3) He was sentenced and paid his debt to society. See, there is a happy ending after all.

Yea, he was convicted..Second violation, 6 months in the County jail. That's Oklahoma justice for ya!

annie58 wrote:

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Yea, he was convicted..Second violation, 6 months in the County jail. That's Oklahoma justice for ya!

Then, you're finally getting it. The violation was against the state, the state eventually convicted the violator of the state for six months incarceration, the state was happy with the outcome regarding their violation.

I don't understand your confusion, next question?

OH, besides this whole "rape" thing, you want state provided health care? Hahahahahaha, I love stupid sheep.

annie58 wrote:

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All I can tell you Richard, is that I was there,

1) my grand-daughter was on the stand and grilled thoroughly by her step-dads attorney,

2) the step dad never got on the stand

All I can tell you Annie is that this is what happens during a full blow trial, not a "plea arrangement".

Secondly, it sounds to me like the US Constitution was adheared to.

Lets reverse the case of the witnesses so you'll feel better about the trial.

1) the man gets on the witness stand and says, "I didn't touch no girl, nor did I rape her!"

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2) the girl doesn't testify at all, she doesn't get on the witness stand for the state and testify. The state has to dismiss the case due to lack of evidence.

Is that how you'd picure life in Russia or Iran to be, because it aint like that here.

Witnesses have to testify and defendants don't have to say she-it, and if you don't like it, tell a returing Iraq vet that you don't like this constution thingy that he swore a lifetime oath to support and defend.

Richard_ wrote:

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All I can tell you Annie is that this is what happens during a full blow trial, not a "plea arrangement".
Secondly, it sounds to me like the US Constitution was adheared to.
Lets reverse the case of the witnesses so you'll feel better about the trial.
1) the man gets on the witness stand and says, "I didn't touch no girl, nor did I rape her!"
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2) the girl doesn't testify at all, she doesn't get on the witness stand for the state and testify. The state has to dismiss the case due to lack of evidence.
Is that how you'd picure life in Russia or Iran to be, because it aint like that here.
Witnesses have to testify and defendants don't have to say she-it, and if you don't like it, tell a returing Iraq vet that you don't like this constution thingy that he swore a lifetime oath to support and defend.

I do not know why you have to be so nasty. The only thing that really gets to me is the States sentence of 6 months in the county jail as a jail trusty. It seems pretty small considering what the eight year old grand-daughter had to go thru.
Keep in mind, this was his second conviction. The State may be satisfied, but it is like a slap in the face to the Victim of the crime.

You know some people are just not happy with life therefore they have the mentality of everyone else being just as unhappy as they are. Some people are just chitty.. they could care less about anyone else .. and then you just have assholes in this world as well.. a few too many in my opinion. This sentence was a slap to the victim.. just as my ex husbands sentence was a slap to his victims, DA's will not be retained nor judges during the next election.. so just get the word out and let everyone know.. that way we can get these law breaking enablers out of office.

annie58 wrote:

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I do not know why you have to be so nasty. The only thing that really gets to me is the States sentence of 6 months in the county jail as a jail trusty. It seems pretty small considering what the eight year old grand-daughter had to go thru.
Keep in mind, this was his second conviction. The State may be satisfied, but it is like a slap in the face to the Victim of the crime.

annie58 wrote:

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Keep in mind, this was his second conviction. The State may be satisfied, but it is like a slap in the face to the Victim of the crime.

I'm not being nasty, I'm just trying to tell you that the government's criminal justice system is not a "victim's satisfaction guaranteed serviced compliance center".

Secondly, the victim is the STATE. When one violates the STATE's laws, one has violated the STATE. Therefore, if as you said, a child was abused, that child is a WITNESS of the STATE's violation.

Did you attend the actual trial? Then you'll know that if the girl testified, then she was called up as a WITNESS to testify on behalf of the victim, the STATE.

Additionally, did you notice that the defendant sat next to his attorney at a table facing the judge? Who sat next to the state's lawyer, also known as the prosecutor? More state lawyers and no witnessess, would be my guess.

The whole gist of the criminal justice system is that the criminal case is sole property of the state.

Have you ever noticed that when a "witness" is not willing to testify, the state trys the case anyway and then forces the "witness" to testify on behalf of the state? I'm sure you have heard of this before, because the criminal justice system is the tool of the state.

If a person want's individual justice, they have to sue in civil courts. That's why I get a kick of people who think that tort reform is the answer. Civil courts are sometimes the only places where an individual can send a message to people, corporations and governments, that harm individuals.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>I'm not being nasty, I'm just trying to tell you that the government's criminal justice system is not a "victim's satisfaction guaranteed serviced compliance center".

Thank you for stating this. It is something that has bothered me for a long time.

In this self-centered "I want what I want and I want it right now," world, victims of crime have gone off the deep end. Sadly, they have been aided by legislators eager for a vote.

A crime is an offense against the state. The state is not some surrogate standin in for the ancient family blood feud.

I empathize with victims, but the state is not their to exact vengence for them....it is there to protect society. Sometimes that process is imperfect due to lack of evidence, how the law is written, etc.

Pandering to "victim's rights" pressure groups has helped create a mob atmosphere in our judicial system. Many judges and legislators fear for their jobs if they follow the law instead of the whims of these special interests. Our society suffers because of it.

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Thank you for stating this. It is something that has bothered me for a long time.
In this self-centered "I want what I want and I want it right now," world, victims of crime have gone off the deep end. Sadly, they have been aided by legislators eager for a vote.
A crime is an offense against the state. The state is not some surrogate standin in for the ancient family blood feud.
I empathize with victims, but the state is not their to exact vengence for them....it is there to protect society. Sometimes that process is imperfect due to lack of evidence, how the law is written, etc.
Pandering to "victim's rights" pressure groups has helped create a mob atmosphere in our judicial system. Many judges and legislators fear for their jobs if they follow the law instead of the whims of these special interests. Our society suffers because of it.

A person has rights in place for the purpose of protecting themselves. And parents are supposed to be responsible for their kids. Baring that, there is only so much a parent or inividual can do to prevent a person from committing a crime. When that does happen, the governemnt will investigate and hopefully introduce the guilty person to the criminal justice system, but it's their show. They create the laws, they enforce the laws, they adjudicate in the event of alleged law breaking.

All I can say is that it's better to prevent a crime than be a witness to one or evidence of one.

Those sick bastards get special treatment in prison by keeping them away from other prisoners who may do them harm. The justice should be for those sick SOBs to be put in general population in the prison. There they will get their just desert.

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Those sick bastards get special treatment in prison by keeping them away from other prisoners who may do them harm. The justice should be for those sick SOBs to be put in general population in the prison. There they will get their just desert.

Is that because there is no such thing as Jesus and the afterlife, therefore humuans must witness atrocities and crimes against other in order to find some sort of closure here on earth that there is no judgement day or god?

Which makes sense when you think about it.

Richard you are a real tool. God teaches us life lessons by seeing these things here on earth. It is a constant reminder that life in HEAVEN will be oh so glorious and not anything like what we see here. If you dont believe in God I surely feel sorry for you... because we are close to the last days... nad your soul has been overrun by the devil himself.. and you SIR , will be left behind. The things that you will see and endure at that point will be nothing like what you see today in this world.. it will be much worse and you will try to kill yourself but wont be able to... it will be hell on earth for many years to come. I suggest you get on board so that you, too, may see the glorious heavens and what GOD intended for his CHILDREN.