Minneapolis schools address suspension gap

That's because our stupid liberals have guaranteed them special privledges and as such they think they are better than everyone else and above simple beahiviors like manners, respect and more.

We have created this monstor. If they don't go aong to get along.....leave.

I'm sick of this POOR ME crap.

Hey, I wish it were that sample. But it is NOT. The problem remains that these same scum wind up on welfare. And that is costing us HUGE bucks.

The short answer is the have schools SEGREGATED. Alternative short answer is UNIFORMS. No baggy butt pants.

We HAVE to educate these creeps. Educations is CHEAP, compared to letting the scum go "free." Then we ALL wind up paying really HUGE BUCKS for the police, jails and any rehab.

"Scum" and "creeps", huh? They're just kids, for cryin' out loud! There is indeed a point at which there is nothing that can be done to turn individuals away from anti-social behavior, but that point is later in life, not in grade school. At that age, with these numbers, it's obvious the system needs to be re-examined. Placing sole blame for these numbers on the children involved, or the clothing they wear (!), makes no logical sense at all.

- Heretic

"Teachers have to develop more tolerance. And the only way they can get that is through teacher training," said Roger Banks, a research analyst for the Council on Black Minnesotans. "Discipline is a teaching moment. This is where your abilities as a teacher come into play."

BS Roger. I don't care what color the students or parents are. Respect for adults starts at the home. If a black parent bad mouths "the man" about his/her failures, I wonder who is going to repeat that?

Cultural differences my ass. That's all teachers are blasted with in courses they take or are made to take. Diveristy isn't the issue, it's the racism and lack of respect for authority figures at the school that is being taught at home.

Stats don't lie...it's on your shoulders black parents...not the schools. Figure it out.

Heretic1010 wrote:

"Scum" and "creeps", huh? They're just kids, for cryin' out loud! There is indeed a point at which there is nothing that can be done to turn individuals away from anti-social behavior, but that point is later in life, not in grade school. At that age, with these numbers, it's obvious the system needs to be re-examined. Placing sole blame for these numbers on the children involved, or the clothing they wear (!), makes no logical sense at all.
- Heretic

The System needs to be re examined? The "system " is doing everything it can to corral these dirt bags (kids). I am placing sole blame on the fathers of these children. What father would allow their own son to dress like a thug, act like an animal, and have behavior like this go un punished at home? I know, a father who is not in their sons life.

The System is not going to teach these boys to become men.

I understand the frustration with this article and, as a black man myself, am annoyed when black people are quick to blame the system. I do, however, think that the people that have posted on here should really examine their motives. This article is about children in schools that have been suspended (honestly, I was suspended once in school, and today I'm a pretty successful and moral person). Since when is it OK to call these kids "monsters" and "dirt bags"????

BILLY FROM BURNSVILLE: Sure, I agree that this country has offered a lot of past preferntial treatment that needs to be reexamined today. I disagree with your statement though that black people just think they're better than everyone. Quite the contrary. These children act out because they usually feel inferior to their other counterparts, and don't choose the constructive way of changing that. Hmm...teens making destructive stupid decisions? Is that just a black problem? NO...part of it stems from teens just being teens. But when you factor in a bigger social problem, sure you'll get more black kids acting out.

I'm not asking people to show complete compassion for these kids. They made bad decisions so they were suspended...DONE DEAL. I am asking you to not be so quick to pass them off as the SCUM OF THE EARTH, as people on here have chosen.

I agree with Archangel.

Our society is wacked and has been wacked for generations and unless we change "our" society, it will continue to be wacked for our children and children's children. So... what are we going to do about it? Continue on doing the same? I see the deterioration of family responsiblities, commom decency toward each other, and interracial intolerance as our greatest challenge. There will always be thugs and low lifes in our society and we must removed those individuals that are poisoning our society. There is no quick fix. By being accountable for our actions and attitudes towards each other, we can slowly change our society for the better. Rather than focusing on race in the suspension gap, let's focus on broken families and parents that do not teach their children wrong from right. Focus on helping the boarderline kids make the right decisions in life. Let them know that they are a part of "our" society and they have the power to make our society better.

How about looking at the statistic more closely as it relates to the number of students suspended versus the annual household income. This is purely a reflection on parental guidance and if we don't try and understand the burden of these family situations we will doom these children to disciplining them by removing them until they no longer see their value and don't return to school. Special attention isn't fair to the other behaving students either. The solution is not easy but stop making this about black and white, that's just eugenic hate mongering.

To the above, all I can add is "Amen." And a plea to start each class with a prayer. That will shake up the prayer-equality people. I remember that we had a prayer time in my school many years ago. And that was before all the liberal pukes. But our teacher said make your prayers silent. Pretty danged smart! And it was called "quiet time." That's because we had a whole bunch of different religions represented.

Archangel21MN wrote:

I understand the frustration with this article and, as a black man myself, am annoyed when black people are quick to blame the system. I do, however, think that the people that have posted on here should really examine their motives. This article is about children in schools that have been suspended (honestly, I was suspended once in school, and today I'm a pretty successful and moral person). Since when is it OK to call these kids "monsters" and "dirt bags"????
BILLY FROM BURNSVILLE: Sure, I agree that this country has offered a lot of past preferntial treatment that needs to be reexamined today. I disagree with your statement though that black people just think they're better than everyone. Quite the contrary. These children act out because they usually feel inferior to their other counterparts, and don't choose the constructive way of changing that. Hmm...teens making destructive stupid decisions? Is that just a black problem? NO...part of it stems from teens just being teens. But when you factor in a bigger social problem, sure you'll get more black kids acting out.
I'm not asking people to show complete compassion for these kids. They made bad decisions so they were suspended...DONE DEAL. I am asking you to not be so quick to pass them off as the SCUM OF THE EARTH, as people on here have chosen.

I agree with your comments...I did mean they have the perception of being better than others...above the law, simple manners, etc. Usually tis is because of inferiority complexes, yet to afford them additional reasons/rationalizations thru this stupid diversity training is insane.

People, there are a lot of things I disagree with yet I know that if I want to better myself, I MUST agree to go along to get along in many cases. That does NOT mean I believe, just that it sacrifices sometimes need to be made.

Having the state propogate their inferiority complexes by initiating more "poor me" initiatives feeds that fire, it does NOT help them. Honor, dignity, compassion must prevail from their perspectiveequally, if not more for this to resolve itself.

If not, we propogate a nation of angry zombies.

Archangel21MN wrote:

I understand the frustration with this article and, as a black man myself, am annoyed when black people are quick to blame the system.

Just to clarify, I was not "blaming the system". We need to insure that there is a safe learning environment in our public schools. While I agree that parents are ultimately responsible for the behavior of their children, what are school administrators suppose to do when parents for not fulfill their responsibility?

I am of the opinion that just kicking these kids out of school does very little to change the behavior they exhibit in school. I'm not saying that it is the job of the school district to take the place of a parent, but there has to be a more effective method of keeping the peace in our schools.

I think it is entirely logical to examine current policies and methods of coping with problem children to see if there are more effective ways of maintaining order. I believe the ethnic disparity in the number of suspensions shows that our responses to poor behavior needs to reflect those differences.

This is not pandering to one group or another; this is not a suggestion of "special treatment" or coddling. This is a suggestion that maybe one size does not fit all, and that changes to the current policies might produce better results.

- Heretic

Any study that focuses on race is bound to be misleading. Who cares about the race of a student who is suspended. Focus on the reasons for the suspension, behavior patters, etc...

By focusing on race, we will never actually help any student who's been punished. We actually end up handing them an excuse to NOT improve their behavior. Now any black student can site this article and say "it's not my fault, I was discriminated against", and going forward, any white student can say "see they're targeting me now just to balance it out".

If you don't believe me, go back to all the people who talk about affirmative action. Those are the two arguments you'll hear over and over again.

bryts wrote:

Any study that focuses on race is bound to be misleading. Who cares about the race of a student who is suspended. Focus on the reasons for the suspension, behavior patters, etc...

I understand your concerns over race, and I agree that this is not a viable basis for policy, I do believe that culture cannot be ignored.

No one thinks twice about mitigating the effects of subcultures by utilizing solutions such as school uniforms. Cultural difference that effect learning have been identified between boys and girls. Making allowances for the needs of immigrants is a given, language barriers being one example.

As much as we all see ourselves as Americans, there are differences in culture. New Yorkers have a different culture from people living in the Iron Range; Native Americans living in New Mexico differ quite a bit from those living in Alaska.

Based on all of this, is it really such an unbelievable notion to consider that African American students may represent culture differences strong enough to create miscommunication with school administrators? Miscommunication that may play a prominent role in the number suspension gap described in this article?

I'm not saying that this is going to be the case; I'm only trying to keep an open mind in looking at this issue. Making assumptions, holding judgments, and focusing on the obvious is not a logical or scientific way to approach this kind of problem. Thinking outside the box is going to be the best way to get past this issue.

- Heretic