Deputies stormed wrong house in anti-gang sweep

typical disfuncional planning or an inabillity to get the facts straight?
to bad they didnt go to crazy horse,mathis d or lbpd home instead
i'm sure they could have set them straight.
every is ok with them unless of course it happens to them.
dont count your donuts until their fried ladys

Mistakes happen. Mountain out of a molehill but then again they are probably looking to get another handout of somekind.

That was supposed to go in "Deputies stormed wrong house in anti-gang sweep," but the Press Telegram seems to be cutting down on their comments section maintenance, so our comments could wind up anywhere. Such a shame watching PT slowly die, coughing, and wheezing. They should just pull the plug.

calm down wrote:

Mistakes happen. Mountain out of a molehill but then again they are probably looking to get another handout of somekind.

Getting our house overrun based on those lame facts is not acceptable. Someone at the Sheriff dept needs to lose their job. If there's no accountability in law enforcement, there is no law or enforcement. Just goon squads. Kim has the facts on her side, and something should be done. I believe most local taxpayers don't appreciate incompetent sheriff dept. employee's opening up the city for a lawsuit.
Mistakes can be made, but this was incompetence, plain and simple. Somebody must answer to this foulup. It's just not right, and in this case, seems kind of racist, rather than something that happens because of the lifestyle the victims lead.
This seems like a well spoken, intelligent woman, and it's not right to sweep this under the rug, unless they're trying to say blacks don't matter, under any circumstances.

mister sticky wrote:

typical disfuncional planning or an inabillity to get the facts straight?
to bad they didnt go to crazy horse,mathis d or lbpd home instead
i'm sure they could have set them straight.
every is ok with them unless of course it happens to them.
dont count your donuts until their fried ladys

I don't think you know what you're talking about. First, in all my years on the beat, I NEVER saw a cop eat a doughnut. I don't know how that got started, but it's totally wrong. Second, nothing like this incident has ever happened to me so I don't worry about it. If somebody screwed up and their negligence led to this family getting the hell scared out of them, there are mechanisms in place to deal with the culpable party.

This family does have a legitimate beef as evidenced by the fact a captain went to their home. That almost never happens. I don't know all the facts because I wasn't there. But some officers make problems for themselves not so much by what they say, but HOW they say it.

Lastly, learn to spell and punctuate. Your level of competence using the English language is horrific. I'm almost embarrassed for you. You are hardly the person to point fingers at anyone.

sometime they over react to the procedure. my house was raid also due to my brother being on parole and I didn't like how they came up into my house and acted but I allow them to because I wanted them to know I or my brother do not have anything to hide. People can change if you give them that chance.

Oh well, s*** happens when you live in a police state.

Not too smart to yell and curse the officers, even if you believe you're in the right. I assume they teach you that in probation officer school.

What makes you think they are looking for a hand out? Is it merely the color of their skin that gives you that impression? Since this is not what this article is about, I will remain silent regarding the group of people that have benefited the most throughout history from handouts. Mountain out of a Molehill? It is understood exactly why you feel this way. You may not know yourself, but it is not my job to re-educate you. Regarding this article, it is easy to sit back and speculate on how one would respond in this situation. However, noone really knows how they would respond on any given day. The father of this family was upset and cursed at the officers in his home. I would bet that they went in the door cursing at him and calling him and his children names. I dont think there is any room for judgement of this family.

what do ya expect from cops......

"What we have here is a failure to communicate..."

Seems to me the family has a legitimate complaint. It wasn't clear to me who made the initial mistake, but it certainly wasn't the deputies who knocked on the door. Their behavior, as described in the article, should be called into question.

Let me add this thought...no one ever lies to the police. If they tell us a person is not there, we just take their word for it. I get lied to everyday at work. I was a part of this overall operation. TWICE, we were told the person we were looking for was not there. In both cases, he was there.

In the best of cases, we trust...but verify. For someone who is supposed to be on parole for conspiracy to commit murder...and they have a search condition to their parole...we are going to have to verify for ourselves, sorry.

I am not sure I would allow my paroled family member to use my home address where my kids and wife reside, knowing it will bring parole searches and unannounced visits from "representatives of the state." I know I would not curse and swear at the police "who I have a lot of respect for", in the presence of my children, putting all of us at greater risk, and straining what is obviously a tense situation.

That all said, speaking for the LASD..."somebody got some splaining to do..." As for the trauma the kids suffered, going public will certainly not help them get through this any quicker will it? Do what you think is best for your family, but know you have now opened them up for unnecessary scrutiny. I hope they get all the help they need to recover from this unfortunate incident.

I would bet that they went in the door cursing at him and calling him and his children names.

That is not mentioned in the article is it? Do you think if that were the case, the dad would not have told the reporter? He mentioned getting the gun stuck in his face, he remembered how many deputies escorted him to his room to retrieve his badge. Why would he forget that he and his children were being called names?

Unless someone is alleging that these deputies intentionally entered his home knowing they were at an invalid address, this is a matter for the complaint process to mitigate. If the process fails, THEN go public.

I don't think they are looking for a handout. I think they are trying to insure accountability and transparency in the process by publicizing the incident. I respect that choice, they certainly have that right. But by doing so, the video and audio tape becomes much more relevant and the behavior of the family becomes an issue as well.

I got the impression the homeowner knew who was knocking on his door when he opened it, which means they identified themselves in some manner. While he certainly is not responsible for the deputies' actions, he is liable for his reactions, justifiable as they may seem.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I think it's a good thing this happened to a probation officer and not just any regular person. It would have been much much worse for an average citizen. Instead of a 20 minute "ordeal" it could have taken hours. Would it even have been a news story if he wasn't part of the law enforcement elite?

This gentlemen has just gotten a small taste of how police treat average citizens that are not part of the law enforcement "family."

As a probation officer, he is cut from the same cloth as the guys he is complaining about. I wonder if he is as much of a jerk to probationers as these cops were to him. If so, I bet he will be a bit nicer in the future.

a long ago ex boyfriend of my daughter used my address for something without my knowledge. he has been in prison most of time but he gets junk mail here. i have been afraid of just this kind of thing. now i know it can happen. after reading this i will have to put moving on the fast track. nothing could make up for traumatizing my young grandson. i've had nightmares about nazis coming in the night to get my family and i was born after ww2 and my family left europe in the early 1900s. fear is hereditary.

after seeing as investigating these types of wrong warrant entries "Wrong Address" usually come out with serious injuries or fatalities, a search warrant at a elderly womans home and when she came to the door assuming it was burglary and harmed, she was killed by the police department in that case, just as other cases such as these, some get sweep under the rug. the departments here involved must be held accountable, as I have mention in the past "CONFIRMATION" is the "KEY WORD". and should this matter be followed by a lawsuit, it is well within the scope, and I certainly would support such, that it does not happen again. all this would have been avoided based on "CONFIRMATION"

The probation officer knows through training that during such a raid the team must quickly take control of the scene, and it usually isn't by tapping lightly on the door and asking nicely for permission to come in for tea and crumpets.

It's unfortunate the 'head didn't know it had a tail,' but if the P.O. truly respects fellow law enforcers, he'll get his sons some counseling for their trauma and move on.

Clearly, somebody on the team dropped the ball, but that doesn't mean it's time to toss the baby with the bathwater. Mr. Harris and his brother have to be minimally culpable because they initially listed the address to appease the parole hearing.

Remember, this sweep took 35 bad guys off the street.

mister sticky wrote:

typical disfuncional planning or an inabillity to get the facts straight?
to bad they didnt go to crazy horse,mathis d or lbpd home instead
i'm sure they could have set them straight.
every is ok with them unless of course it happens to them.
dont count your donuts until their fried ladys

Since you mentioned me I will respond to your post.

If you can, cite for me one instance of sustained police misconduct that I have condoned in these forums. Not alleged misconduct, but actual factual proven misconduct.

If they came to my house, I can promise you I would behave differently than this man did. Not saying that what he did is not completely understandable, but I would not have responded that way. How do I know this? I do not respond that way on the job when I am being verbally abused by the public. I have never sworn or yelled at a police officer in anger or frustration.

I would not allow a family member who is in prison or on parole to use my home address precisely because of my profession and my family.

Clearly a mistake was made here. Unless proven to be intentional or done with malice, it can be corrected and I hope the family can be made whole.

For what its worth, my experience says that most complaints against police officers are for HOW we do what we do, not necessarily what we do. Profanity is the number one reason citizens complain. It is apparently only okay for them to use it towards us. It seems unprofessional to respond in kind to me, but some people only respond to the type of language they use on a regular basis. They don't seem as concerned with presenting or maintaining a professional image.

Its no stretch for me to say that some cops need to show more respect to the people they serve. Is that news?

"Unless someone is alleging that these deputies intentionally entered his home knowing they were at an invalid address, this is a matter for the complaint process to mitigate. If the process fails, THEN go public."

Obviously the writer has had little interaction with any police agency, as a complainant. Once a complaint is filed, life is never the same until the complaint is withdrawn. I am sure he went public as a safety net, he knows how law enforcement reacts and what happens to complainants (i.e., continual traffic stops, following household drivers and creating a nuisance presence). The police fall-out experienced by a complainant is sometimes just as bad as the basis for the initial complaint. Don't kid yourself there is no independent review.

This is devastating. So many bad endings could have happened here with this innocent family. The kids could have gotten tazed, hurt, etc...., the dogs could have been shot and now they've injured this man and his familiys dignity.

The officers in charge should be fired for this for there is NEVER an acceptable reason why this would occur. It is encumbered for the police to be 100% accurate before they conduct such rambo operatins. Overzealous cowboy behavior again hurts innocent people and jeopardizes safety and personal freedoms.

I wish this family the best and hope they get all they deserve and then some.

Remember...the brother is not on parole...he is in prison and has been for over 17 years. Regardless of the address they had...he is in prison AND HAS BEEN FOR OVER 17 YEARS!!! This could have gone so wrong, one of the teenagers who initially answered the door could have made a "questionable" move and then they would be planning a funeral. THIS WAS A SERIOUS MISTAKE!!! As for handouts...she is a labor and delivery nurse and he is a probation officer...what would make you think that they want a handout?

I agree that there needs to be some accountability here- we had neighbors who recently were wrongly raided by the SWAT division. They were not handcuffed, nor were their sleeping children pulled out of their beds. The difference between our neighbors and the Harris family? Our neighbors are white and the Harris family is black. I can't say with good conscience that that is a coincidence.
There is no justification for wrongly raiding a home- when this type of action is being taken, every "t" should be crossed to ensure that the address matches the search. I hope that the Harris family is able to overcome this trauma that they've been forced to go through. I support whatever efforts they are taking to bring light to this situation.