Redondo Beach bans smoking

What a waste of police resources. I am sure people will call 9-1-1 to report smokers, and then the police will never get there in time in witness the violation.

They should allow lifeguards to hand out violations.

More evidence that the Socialist Republic of California is growing like a cancer on the walls of one's rotting colon. Useless, intrusive laws. How about dress codes for illegals swimming in their clothes? How about no more green glass in the new condos on the shore? How about changing the color of the clouds and sky? Gimme liberty or gimme death.

Hopefully this will provide another resource to get the transient community out of places like Dominguez Park and Veterans Park. Since local RB churches feed the homeless but don't provide them with a place to stay, the parks in RB have become their summer and winter homes due to the warmer weather. In the past, the transient population has caused numerous problems ranging from basic nuisance incidents to more violent crimes. Hopefully this will be a start to making the park as safe as possible.

Eddie wrote:

What a waste of police resources. I am sure people will call 9-1-1 to report smokers, and then the police will never get there in time in witness the violation.

A waste of police resources is when residents call and complain about a possum in their garage, a seagull trapped in fishing line, or a loose dog. All things the police don't do, that's called animal control. Another waste, people who constantly call and complain but don't want to get involved! If you don't want to get involved, it must not be that big of a problem.

Civic Minded wrote:

More evidence that the Socialist Republic of California is growing like a cancer on the walls of one's rotting colon. Useless, intrusive laws. How about dress codes for illegals swimming in their clothes? How about no more green glass in the new condos on the shore? How about changing the color of the clouds and sky? Gimme liberty or gimme death.

Gee, amazing how dangerous for others swimming in clothes is and that green glass...God forbid it send radiation into your eyes and clouds, geeze, forget about clouds, that dam* white and grey matter should be purple to keep from blinding us!

At least try to make valid comparisons.

LOL wrote:

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Gee, amazing how dangerous for others swimming in clothes is and that green glass...God forbid it send radiation into your eyes and clouds, geeze, forget about clouds, that dam* white and grey matter should be purple to keep from blinding us!
At least try to make valid comparisons.

It's impossible to make valid comparisons for an invalid, useless, government intrusion into the personal lives of its taxpaying citizens. You don't like the smell of second hand smoke, I don't like seeing illegals swimming in their clothes, so let's pass a law.

Civic Minded wrote:

More evidence that the Socialist Republic of California is growing like a cancer on the walls of one's rotting colon. Useless, intrusive laws. How about dress codes for illegals swimming in their clothes? How about no more green glass in the new condos on the shore? How about changing the color of the clouds and sky? Gimme liberty or gimme death.

Really? How about, "Oh good, I don't have to inhale someone's smoke." or "Oh good, one less cigarette butt my daughter will pick up." Don't use fancy words unless you have something good to say.

Civic Minded wrote:

More evidence that the Socialist Republic of California is growing like a cancer on the walls of one's rotting colon. Useless, intrusive laws. How about dress codes for illegals swimming in their clothes? How about no more green glass in the new condos on the shore? How about changing the color of the clouds and sky? Gimme liberty or gimme death.

You want the liberty to destroy your lungs? Fine, use your liberty in your own home. But don't force your death on the rest of us. You want to talk about intrusive, it's someone blowing their smoke in my face

This doesn't really change much. All the the beaches from RAT up to the pier are actually part of Torrance.
Maybe this means that you can't smoke while swimming underneath Polly's.

RHEMom wrote:

<quoted text> You want the liberty to destroy your lungs? Fine, use your liberty in your own home. But don't force your death on the rest of us. You want to talk about intrusive, it's someone blowing their smoke in my face

Ahhhh, therein is the big lie! Outdoor second hand smoke is NOT dangerous, only offensive. Plus it's all relative. We live in an area of the world where daily particulate matter is measured in the 90's or 100's. For example, New England states are measured in high single digits to low teens. The 10 mile roundtrip you make to the beach in your car spews about 2 lbs of greenhouse gases. Now that's offensive and dangerous. Pwew!

Civic Minded wrote:

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Ahhhh, therein is the big lie!

You'd like to believe it was a lie. That would help any sort of guilt. But blowing smoke that contains poisons just plain wrong.
Secondhand Smoke Fact Sheet
Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.1
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Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).2
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Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.3
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Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.4
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Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of secondhand smoke in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.5
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Since 1999, 70 percent of the U.S. workforce worked under a smoke-free policy, ranging from 83.9 percent in Utah to 48.7 percent in Nevada.6 Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.7

Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.

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Research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.14
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The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Short exposures to secondhand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack.

Wow, we just inched that much closer to becoming a communist society! What happened to freedom??!! These so-called "health conscious" non-smoking nuts are nothing but crybabies and whiners! Banning smoking indoors is one thing, but there are NO proven health risks by being exposed to second-hand smoke outdoors. If the smoke offends you, you don't have to breathe it!! Just move away!

No matter how you kooks want to look at it... Second hand smoke does not kill. There is no evidence, proof, anything to show otherwise. Cigarette smoke may be irritating, but that's all it is. As for butts.... give me a break. 40 years in the South Bay and I have never seen such foolishness. The wind blows along the coastline and the sands and moisture grind the butts down. This is nothing more than a step closer to a Police State.

Hey RHE Mom, I said OUTDOOR second hand smoke, the kind that your same research folks have reported dissipates within 1.6 feet (1/2 meter) in an outdoor environment. So unless we are lip-locked while I'm puffing my cigar, you ain't getting hurt.

Goodness, what is the world coming to? Smoking, without a doubt, is unhealthy and for people like me who do not smoke, living life without having to inhale the smoke of another person is the ultimate "Thank You Lord" for me. I too get irritated when inhaling someone's smoke, but get real - people are going to smoke whether we like it or not... there's no stopping that. It's how smokers go about it - they should know when to remove themselves from large groups of people esp. when children are around. There's an answer to this people... and besides, we have BIGGER problems to solve in this world!

I thought smoking was already banned at all CA parks way back when the ban in bars went into law. Guess not.

Civic Minded wrote:

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Ahhhh, therein is the big lie! Outdoor second hand smoke is NOT dangerous, only offensive. Plus it's all relative. We live in an area of the world where daily particulate matter is measured in the 90's or 100's. For example, New England states are measured in high single digits to low teens. The 10 mile roundtrip you make to the beach in your car spews about 2 lbs of greenhouse gases. Now that's offensive and dangerous. Pwew!

You obviously have never had a family member die from lung cancer. My husband died from lung cancer 20 years ago. He was 32 years old and never smoked. He ran a business with his parents who never went anywhere without a cigarette hanging from their lips. Don't tell me there is no effect from second handsmoke. It was a long time ago. But I can still feel the agony my husband went through. The horrific nights of him
trying to take a breath as the nurse and I tried to help him.

The guilt those hsi parents had to live with was gut wrenching. Oh, and yes they are both dead from lung cancer.

Civic Minded wrote:

Hey RHE Mom, I said OUTDOOR second hand smoke, the kind that your same research folks have reported dissipates within 1.6 feet (1/2 meter) in an outdoor environment. So unless we are lip-locked while I'm puffing my cigar, you ain't getting hurt.

I love to play my music really loud. But I know it will bother those around me, so I wear earphones. If you can put a bag over your head go ahead and smoke all you want. But you can not smoke cigaretts much less a cigar and not bother others. So as far as I'm concerned you don't have that right.

RHEMom wrote:

They should allow lifeguards to hand out violations.

lifeguards should be looking for drowning people, not smoking people.
looks like taxes will be going up in redondo soon.