First on Orlandosentinel.Com Shooting victim warned of husband's threats

Mojo wrote:

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You are sad.

And sick.

LSG wrote:

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There's a lot more to it than that. Yuo would have to know Ron for me to fully explain. I just shouldn't have to explain myself or what happened right now. I'm not trying to be mean, but it's just to hard. No one, other than the others who were there, knows what it feels like. Their poor son is devistated. He's just now realizing what happened.

If you feel so badly that you can contribute nothing other than to tell us - on a public opinion forum - that we have no right to express an opinion because we don't have your insight, insight you will not share, why don't you simply go away?

Seriously wrote:

Just another story with the same sad ending. The most deadly thing for a woman to do is to be in any relationship. Even on this blog there are people blaming her for his actions... Was she cheating? Who cares, that does not give someone the right to kill her.
The justice system is not made to protect women. We are still considered disposable. We are blamed for actions of other people. When something happens to a woman, society asks, what did she do to deserve it?!? It is maddening to me, especially when other women take this approach. Until we stand together and be united against this violence no matter what the circumstances, it will continue...

Of course the system is set up to protect women. There are much more immediate remedies that I pointed out before, and will do so again. If they do not make the phone call, then, as every case in legal dispute, there are steps and steps and steps and delays, as you are now going through the civil court to file an injunction..

The remedies for criminal actions are much more expeditious and are detailed below..again....

She should have picked up the phone and called the police when he battered her before. He would have went to jail, and then the judge would have issued a no contact no return against him as a condition of bail.
They would have then, never been in the same place at the same time, and she would have still been alive.

Make that call ladies if you feel threatened. You can do this with boyfriends you are fearfull of as well. Even a verbal argument can get a man sent to jail, especially if she told the story of him looking for a gun, and making threats.

WTF-FL wrote:

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Too true. When my ex-husband decided to 'spring' a divorce on me, he unloaded all the guns in the house as I'm a better shooter than him - he later told me when I discovered my clip missing when I was packing, it was 'to prevent me from acting rash'. I informed him 'You aren't worth the jail time'.

But if not for jail you would have killed him? You need to be locked up, too. Psycho.

pending calamity wrote:

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Of course the system is set up to protect women. There are much more immediate remedies that I pointed out before, and will do so again. If they do not make the phone call, then, as every case in legal dispute, there are steps and steps and steps and delays, as you are now going through the civil court to file an injunction..
The remedies for criminal actions are much more expeditious and are detailed below..again....
She should have picked up the phone and called the police when he battered her before. He would have went to jail, and then the judge would have issued a no contact no return against him as a condition of bail.
They would have then, never been in the same place at the same time, and she would have still been alive.
Make that call ladies if you feel threatened. You can do this with boyfriends you are fearfull of as well. Even a verbal argument can get a man sent to jail, especially if she told the story of him looking for a gun, and making threats.

Judge did nothing to protect me. threatned to kill me and my order was denied. Why? She wouund up going to jail for stalking me, what was next, shoot me and then I get protection?

justice4all wrote:

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This is simply not true. Chester indeed DOES seem to keep an eye on the message boards and ALWAYS points out the racists and bigotted posts, he almost ALWAYS provides logical explanations for his assessments. That you don't like to be called a racist or bigot is obvious. But it doesn't mean that you are not and instead of shooting the messenger of the obvious, perhaps you could use better words and explanations of your positions that would prove you are not.
More power to the Chesters of the world who rightfully expose the racists and/or bigots here and everywhere. His posts speak for themselves and your damage control is a poor attempt to deal with your own guilty conscience.
Nice try!

You and chester are the biggest reason that blacks commit 80% of violent crime in america.^% of the pop/80% of the crime. I hope you two nutjobs are next, then we can listen to you whine about racism

Lazar Bel wrote:

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If you feel so badly that you can contribute nothing other than to tell us - on a public opinion forum - that we have no right to express an opinion because we don't have your insight, insight you will not share, why don't you simply go away?

Since you really wanna know what happened. They were to have contact in dealing with the child and the buisness. We showed up, her two sisters myself and her nephew, to do inventory, he got pissed, and he shot her. He had it planned. He had the guns hid that way no one knew what was going on. He walked around popping bags. We now know he was getting us ready to hear a loud sound that way we wouldn't react instantly. I don't really want to go into details beacause it hurts to. I'm not trying to be mean to everyone. The family just went through a tragedy, and no one seems to understand that. This is something I have to live with for the rest of my life. & the only other people who understand are the others that were also in the bait shop.

LSG wrote:

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Since you really wanna know what happened. They were to have contact in dealing with the child and the buisness. We showed up, her two sisters myself and her nephew, to do inventory, he got ****, and he shot her. He had it planned. He had the guns hid that way no one knew what was going on. He walked around popping bags. We now know he was getting us ready to hear a loud sound that way we wouldn't react instantly. I don't really want to go into details beacause it hurts to. I'm not trying to be mean to everyone. The family just went through a tragedy, and no one seems to understand that. This is something I have to live with for the rest of my life. & the only other people who understand are the others that were also in the bait shop.

What you (all) went thru is truly horrible. Ignore the idiots who post here. While there are intelligent voices here, there are many small-minded, ignorant people who feel empowered by an anonymous voice.

You all are in our thoughts and prayers. Maybe sharing your story will help save someone else's life. Women who feel threatened should take themselves & their children to a safe place. God Bless you.

Proud2BaFirefighterswife wrote:

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You are absolutely correct in your statements. We can all sit around a speculate, but without all the facts no one should be passing judgement. I wish your family all the blessings to make it thru this tragedy and to take care of that precious child.
You are all in my prayers.

The FACT STILL REMAINS that Ron Warren is a murderer whether we know the all story or NOT!

LSG wrote:

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Since you really wanna know what happened. They were to have contact in dealing with the child and the buisness. We showed up, her two sisters myself and her nephew, to do inventory, he got pissed, and he shot her. He had it planned. He had the guns hid that way no one knew what was going on. He walked around popping bags. We now know he was getting us ready to hear a loud sound that way we wouldn't react instantly. I don't really want to go into details beacause it hurts to. I'm not trying to be mean to everyone. The family just went through a tragedy, and no one seems to understand that. This is something I have to live with for the rest of my life. & the only other people who understand are the others that were also in the bait shop.

The FACT still remains Ron Warren is a MURDERER!

LSG wrote:

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Since you really wanna know what happened. They were to have contact in dealing with the child and the buisness. We showed up, her two sisters myself and her nephew, to do inventory, he got ****, and he shot her. He had it planned. He had the guns hid that way no one knew what was going on. He walked around popping bags. We now know he was getting us ready to hear a loud sound that way we wouldn't react instantly. I don't really want to go into details beacause it hurts to. I'm not trying to be mean to everyone. The family just went through a tragedy, and no one seems to understand that. This is something I have to live with for the rest of my life. & the only other people who understand are the others that were also in the bait shop.

Don't take this the wrong way - it is not intended to be mean - but if you're looking for understanding and sympathy, you are in the worst of all possible places imaginable. These forums are not dispensaries of kindness or understanding. The one common trait everyone here shares is criticalness, and to top that off, we're all opinionated. People close to any tragic news event would be well advised to steer clear of Topix forums devoted to said news event.

Lazar Bel wrote:

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Don't take this the wrong way - it is not intended to be mean - but if you're looking for understanding and sympathy, you are in the worst of all possible places imaginable. These forums are not dispensaries of kindness or understanding. The one common trait everyone here shares is criticalness, and to top that off, we're all opinionated. People close to any tragic news event would be well advised to steer clear of Topix forums devoted to said news event.

Maybe you might cut back on the speech and offer condolensces to someone directly involved with this story. You have made your points and opinion before. Why would you ask a family member to not come here and vent or weep or share or reach out with a first person version?

You are absolutely right however, about the nature of the comments that could potentially come to light. You don't need to be one of them though....

pending calamity wrote:

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Maybe you might cut back on the speech and offer condolensces to someone directly involved with this story. You have made your points and opinion before. Why would you ask a family member to not come here and vent or weep or share or reach out with a first person version?
You are absolutely right however, about the nature of the comments that could potentially come to light. You don't need to be one of them though....

I would "suggest" a grieving individual to stay away from these threads, because it is not the place one can expect to garner a great deal of sympathy. If you believe that not to be the case, that's fine with me. If you believe the situation will change because you chastise me, you're not in touch with reality. These threads offer harsh exchanges and no amount of sympathy from you will assuage the hurt done by others less gentle. Those are the facts, beat them up any why you choose, but they are still facts.

pending calamity wrote:

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She should have picked up the phone and called the police when he battered her before. He would have went to jail, and then the judge would have issued a no contact no return against him as a condition of bail.
They would have then, never been in the same place at the same time, and she would have still been alive.
Make that call ladies if you feel threatened. You can do this with boyfriends you are fearfull of as well. Even a verbal argument can get a man sent to jail, especially if she told the story of him looking for a gun, and making threats.

The restraining orders keeps some, but not all, from killing their wife or girlfriend.

http://courtwatchflorida.blogspot.com/2009/05...

Two Thoughts wrote:

Two things:
First, do you have any idea how many people (men AND women) come to the courts or to their local police agencies stating that a spouse, ex, etc., is threatening to harm them? Hundreds in this area every single day. You only hear in the news every few years about the one loco who went off the deep end and actually snaps and does it. You don't hear about the many thousands of reports every year that do not result in any harm.
The reality is that if every such report met with an instant arrest or intervention, you'd need entire teams of officers, judges, and jails, just to deal with that one issue. The cost would be beyond enormous.
Second, and related, the courts are simply not the right place for trying to delve into and solve people's personal problems and relationships. They are too complicated, change too much, and people need to stop looking at the courts as any sort of effective referee for these problems.
I don't know what the solution is. Wish I did. But I do know that the court system is simply not a workable solution to dealing with domestic violence.

Well said! However, since these matters are often find their way into Court, interested citizens can help monitor the judicial system's handling of them. CourtWatch is a volunteer organization that monitors domestic violence, sexual assault & child abuse cases in Orange & Seminole Counties. See www.courtwatchflorida.org for more info.

legalease wrote:

If someone is "intent" on doing something - such as this man obviously was - an injunction would do "nothing" to protect her, it's only a piece of paper. He had a death wish and sadly, she was a part of that. IF she really feared him, like she wrote, WHY in GOD'S name.......did she go there without an officer?! My heart breaks for their son -- that poor child. Sympathies to their families.

An officer isn't going to stand around and wait while she does inventory. In situations where an injunction is issued & the Respondent needs to return to the home to get their personal belongings, a law enforcement officer will accompany them - but only for a few minutes. She did the next best thing by having other people present. Tragically, the "safety in numbers" strategy was insufficient in this situation.

Bubba wrote:

I am SO glad that these crazy, violent idiots are allowed to own guns--and so many of them, too!
God bless the NRA and all the beautiful work they do to make lives of everyday Americans such as Ms. Warren so much better.
After all, it is our 2nd amendment right to do all that is possible to make sure their child grows up a parentless ward of the state. It is as George Washington would want.

Bubba your logic is tortured / twisted. You should know a gun, being an inanimate object cannot kill by itself. Its owner killed. I recommend you talk to a competent psychiatrist ASAP !

RIP Ron and Tanya wrote:

I understand that everyone has their own opinoins and I respect that, however I have a question, how many of you actually knew theses two. I did, very well in fact cause they were my aunt and uncle. There was more going on between them than what the papers say. He acted in a moment of passion. I don't understand his thought process at the time or say what he did was right. I just know that he was not a psyco, he was a teddy bear and the sweetest guy you could ever meet. I was shocked to hear that he of all people did this. I love them both and hope they rest in piece.

I have to agree with you about your uncle. It is shocking to me and has just been on my mind daily since this happened. I have known Ron from his shop for quite some time, he always had his son at his side and was such a nice guy. A couple of days before this happened he literally went to his own personal tackle box and took out a lure that I was needing for a tournament and gave it to me since he didnt have any in stock. He did mention that day that he was just very emotional since he was going thru a divorce. He didnt act irrational about it at the time, just down and somewhat out of focus because of it. I believe in my heart that this was a violent act of passion, in the heat of the moment, since so much was going on and then Tanya showed up with her sisters and other family members to take inventory of the shop. Like everything was being taken from him. I know its not her fault and I so sincerely feel for their son, but I do feel it was a really bad judgement call if she was fearful of him. Its a horrible tragedy and a terrible loss for his family as well as the fishing community.