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CJB wrote:

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You lump a teacher who offered her condolences through prayer for a sick kid with some evangelical, pentecostal Jesus freak and that is simply not fair.
It is just like saying that everyone who voted for Obama was a left-wing socialist and idealist.

Or just like you saying that I believed we deserved the 9/11 attacks and that I think a gay teacher should express their sexual desires towards children. You GD hyperbolic nutjob hypocrite.

Seriously Sarcastic wrote:

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What does the NC Religious Clause have to do with a case in UK?

Chuck's just cutting-and-pasting and trying to convince everybody that the Jefferson Bible and various writings by Jefferson (but not all) support his claims. You'll notice that the selection he includes actually hurts his stance, but he's not able to catch that. He rambles about freedom to worship and inalienable rights, then tells us that if you actually wish to testify about your faith you are "forcing it on others" and are violating numerous tenants of freedom of worship. I swear, this guy fell through the looking glass into our world and is still looking for the March Hare so they can finish tea.

Local-not-Local wrote:

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Or just like you saying that I believed we deserved the 9/11 attacks and that I think a gay teacher should express their sexual desires towards children. You GD hyperbolic nutjob hypocrite.

Or like you putting words in my mouth saying that gay teachers try to have sex with children. Nice try!!

In a past forum, you specifically expressed an opinion that schools should teach young kids about homosexuality, did you not? That offends some just as faith does some.

BillyGoatGruff wrote:

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Comrade...I thought you'd be a Christmas eve services!

As the head rector of the "Holy Shit I'm Going Straight to Hell Church of the Eternally Damned" whereby the first shot is always free & table dances are two for one on wendsdays, I have my own method of celebration, thank you very much!

jumbob wrote:

<quoted text>Chuck's just cutting-and-pasting and trying to convince everybody that the Jefferson Bible and various writings by Jefferson (but not all) support his claims. You'll notice that the selection he includes actually hurts his stance, but he's not able to catch that. He rambles about freedom to worship and inalienable rights, then tells us that if you actually wish to testify about your faith you are "forcing it on others" and are violating numerous tenants of freedom of worship. I swear, this guy fell through the looking glass into our world and is still looking for the March Hare so they can finish tea.

So you support someone who was hired to be a "teacher", going into a person's home & "testifying" to a sick little girl and her mother, even though the mother had made it clear that she wanted nothing of the kind whatsoever?
So I guess you don't support the idea of a person's home being "their castle"?

Lake28804 wrote:

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Maybe. Maybe not. This particular story seems to be the opposite. Someone can't even express their particular beliefs without a big brouhaha. Why not? When did individual beliefs and opinions become passe and politically incorrect? I doubt this woman was trying to convert someone to her beliefs. When did we become so freaking touchy?

If a Rastafarrian had tried to get the little girl & her mother to smoke some ganga, would that have been better?

In a person's home their Conscience prevails, without exception.

jumbob wrote:

<quoted text>My point was that Chuck was misrepresenting Jesus and his teachings. I don't condone what she did, but I likewise find it farcical for everyone to start with the "she wasn't doing her job" bit. How many people post on Topix from work? Should they be fired?
How many follow March Madness on radio/TV/internets? Should they be fired?
Bill Clinton wasn't a gigilo, so he wasn't doing his job (during business hours no less). Should he have been fired?
Heck, the governor of SC left the country and left a false story about where he was going and STILL has his job.
The list goes on and on, the hypocrisy stinks to high heaven (no pun intended). You will defend your particular government official for not doing what they are supposed to do, but don't let a teacher mention God or ask if it would be OK to pray for a sick student.
Maybe we should impeach President Obama. On Feb. 5, 2009 he made a speech in which he stated "So let us pray together on this February morning, but let us also work together in all the days and months ahead." Uh-oh. He's asking us to pray. During the workday! He should be removed at once, because he has offended by asking us to pray. I feel faint.
Get 'em, Chuck! The president done burnt my poor lil' ears.

That's an ad hominem. Just because John Q. Blogger posts from work and commits a wrong, doesn't justify the actions of this woman.

jumbob wrote:

<quoted text>Chuck's just cutting-and-pasting and trying to convince everybody that the Jefferson Bible and various writings by Jefferson (but not all) support his claims. You'll notice that the selection he includes actually hurts his stance, but he's not able to catch that. He rambles about freedom to worship and inalienable rights, then tells us that if you actually wish to testify about your faith you are "forcing it on others" and are violating numerous tenants of freedom of worship. I swear, this guy fell through the looking glass into our world and is still looking for the March Hare so they can finish tea.

You epitimize the notion that you can teach someone to read but you can't make them understand it. You obviously do not understand that Liberty was a gift by the God of Creation to Her first peoples who then, by the means of their own Conscience, chose not to live in subjugation or subservience to anyone, & chose self-determination instead. Nor that any God that requires a leap of faith to beleive in, has ever intervenned in anyone's life nor written anything nor inspired anyone to write anything, nor needed to exist in human form & all religious opinion comes from man.

When you understand that:"Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;..."; you will understand "privacy".

CJB wrote:

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Or like you putting words in my mouth saying that gay teachers try to have sex with children. Nice try!!
In a past forum, you specifically expressed an opinion that schools should teach young kids about homosexuality, did you not? That offends some just as faith does some.

The "self-evident truth's" of sexuality has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith", let alone religion.

jumbob wrote:

<quoted text>Chuck, you are the one who doesn't get it. Asking someone if you can pray for them and then droping the matter when they say "no" is not forcing anything on them.?

Jumbob, google around and you'll find that's not what happened. The teacher evangelized with anecdotes and preaching. The problem with people carrying out the Great Commission is if they don't get it done with words, they'll take to the sword, axe, or gun. And I betcha $100 she won't be fired in the end. She's just suspended pending being rehired. The Brits did it to someone else. Google around; you'll find it.

Chuck Zimmerman wrote:

You obviously do not understand that Liberty was a gift by the God of Creation to Her first peoples who then, by the means of their own Conscience, chose not to live in subjugation or subservience to anyone, & chose self-determination instead...

*ZING!* OK, there are so many problems with this blather. Let's start with calling God "Her"...

Ultra-feminist piece of crap. WTF God is IMMATERIAL, SPIRITUAL, ASEXUAL,*not* of this dimension. God DOES NOT HAVE A PENIS or a VAGINA. Get it THROUGH YOUR HEAD, FEMINIST. GOD IS NOT A WOMAN.

Buncy wrote:

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Jumbob, google around and you'll find that's not what happened. The teacher evangelized with anecdotes and preaching. The problem with people carrying out the Great Commission is if they don't get it done with words, they'll take to the sword, axe, or gun. And I betcha $100 she won't be fired in the end. She's just suspended pending being rehired. The Brits did it to someone else. Google around; you'll find it.

I have been arguing my point based on Chuck's foolishness, not because I felt the teacher was correct in doing so. Likewise, the original article indicated that it was a one time occurance. If you look back, you'll note that I pointed out that I didn't think she should have done it. However, Chuckles seems to think that Jesus said a lot of things that Jesus didn't say and believes that Jesus just wanted his followers to meekly keep their mouths shut. Nothing could be further from the truth.

When called on his biblical misunderstandings and lacking the ability to use the bible to argue his point (since he was no clue what it says), he shifted to arguing that we should use the Jefferson bible (which sucks and was never meant to be more than an intellectual excercise for Jefferson). What's worse, Chuck doesn't understand 90% of what he cuts-and-pastes, which is why he doesn't expand on it but rather posts it and says "SEE". He is the intellectual equivelent of the 98 pound weakling that gets sand kicked into his face.

However, I agree that if the teacher DID repeatedly violate the peoples requests, she should be fired. Doesn't change the fact that Chuck has no clue what he's talking about. He uses the same cut-and-paste and rational for all occassions on here.

HuhHuh wrote:

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*ZING!* OK, there are so many problems with this blather. Let's start with calling God "Her"...
Ultra-feminist piece of crap. WTF God is IMMATERIAL, SPIRITUAL, ASEXUAL,*not* of this dimension. God DOES NOT HAVE A PENIS or a VAGINA. Get it THROUGH YOUR HEAD, FEMINIST. GOD IS NOT A WOMAN.

Sorry but in my opinion God is Female. Afterall a man can attempt to make something or tear something apart, walk away & never return, while a woman can't leave well enough alone, which proves to me why She created the first law of Nature as Evolution. And is "the missing link".

Chuck Zimmerman wrote:

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You You obviously do not understand that Liberty was a gift by the God of Creation to Her first peoples who then, by the means of their own Conscience, chose not to live in subjugation or subservience to anyone, & chose self-determination instead. Nor that any God that requires a leap of faith to beleive in, has ever intervenned in anyone's life nor written anything nor inspired anyone to write anything, nor needed to exist in human form & all religious opinion comes from man.

I'm afraid that I won't be subscribing to the gosple of Thomas Jefferson any time soon, so you can save your "when you understands" and epic length cut-and-pastes. Thomas Jefferson may have felt that there were no miracles or action from God, but I don't . Then again, I don't own slaves, think blacks are inferior, or sleep with people I'm not married to. I guess TJ and me are just two different people who view the world differently. That is the freedom that I have, to make my own decisions not based on a racist from 200 years ago. When you understand that mine is true freedom (my natural rights),then you shall be on the road to nirvana, Grasshopper. I actually understand what Jefferson was doing and what he was saying, and I disagree with him. Simple enough.

Maybe if you explain it for those of us less able to fathom TJ's thoughts. Using NO CUT-AND-PASTE or lengthy quotes, explain it for us. I asked for this before and got another freakin' c&p quote. Dazzle us with your understanding and writing skills, Chuck.