Hoasca-drinking group seeks to build temple in Arroyo Hondo

I attended a church like this in Colorado and brought my daughter...after one weekend with these people she turned her life around and acknowledged her "divinity" on a cell level..the ability to touch base with your divine humanity is what this process does...

I am thankful for the court ruling

If they`re going to say we`re free. Please let us be free to practice our religions as we see fit. Not just Government sanctioned religions.

The group's practices sound very peaceful. Like many early First Nation's spiritual worship practices.
Unless the residents of Arroyo Honda have had legitimate problems with this group in the past, it seems there could be some unnecessary fearmongering?

Religion with real opiates. To bad you need the religion to have spiritual freedom.

No sounds like people are afraid of something they have no idea about. Why do people have to force thier agendas on others? Total bs.

brilliant wrote:

Religion with real opiates. To bad you need the religion to have spiritual freedom.

it's not an opiate moran.

So, would the neighborhood oppose a more traditional Judeo-Christian church/temple being proposed on the site? Just wondering....
(The courts found the tea legal, so the neighbors have no justification using that as the basis for their argument.)

Cptpowder wrote:

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it's not an opiate moran.

I knew that JONG.:)

I am sorry the reporter chose to focus only the issue that would grab headlines and not my entire comment. The main objection of the neighborhood is the size of the structures, intensity of the developement, number of people/cars. As a resident I can only put one house on 5 acres. Their proposed site is 2.5 acres! They need to find a larger more appropriate site for their services. We live in a residental neighborhood and do not want it rezoned.

brilliant wrote:

Religion with real opiates. To bad you need the religion to have spiritual freedom.

Brilliant, the poor old world is chock full of people who need a specially-dressed authority figure to tell them what to think and do, and how to conduct themselves, even if they're capable of figuring it out for themselves. The actual role of religion, as any anthropology textbook will say, is to impart morals and ethics to society...too bad so much dogma and hoop-la has become attached to it over the millennia.

No one in the neighborhood is arguing about the religion side of this. If the UDV folks want to drink tea, puke, and see god, its their business.
This issue is the zoning. Putting this temple in a residential area is what the debate is about. It does not fit the area.

stan b wrote:

No one in the neighborhood is arguing about the religion side of this. If the UDV folks want to drink tea, puke, and see god, its their business.
This issue is the zoning. Putting this temple in a residential area is what the debate is about. It does not fit the area.

I agree, Stan, but look back at the bit about nobody being intoxicated by the time the "service" is over. I would be concerned about the chances of there being someone who likes the effect so much that they have a little more before getting behind the wheel.

And it all sounds like just one small step away from Jim Jones juice.

Most churches are in residential neighborhoods...

duh wrote:

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I knew that JONG.:)

Hey Briliant, change for a nickel?

It's a much better use than a meth house

Mia wrote:

Most churches are in residential neighborhoods...

Most churches don't have their members leaving from 12:15 to 4:00 AM. Would you like to live next door and know you wouldn't get any sleep until 0400 every Sat. night?

I think that the Arroyo Hondo homeowners have every right to object to a structure of this size on a relatively small lot. It is not a question of the type of religion involved. The question is whether the homeowners want to have a stucture in their midst that will result almost certainly in increased noise, congestion, parking issues, debris and all the other consequences association with a public building. I don't live in Arroyo Hondo but it is a rural type neighborhood and this so-called temple would change its character significantly. The New Mexican with its desperation to attract readers has over-emphasized the use of hallucinogenic tea as a reason for the neighborhood's objections to the temple. This, is as others have pointed out, is simply a question of zoning. The potential neighbors have every right to protest what sounds like a grotesque structure in their midst. I hope they prevail when this matter is considered by the City.

I am a resident in the neighborhood, and by all means this will be obnoxious use of the small parcel they are suggesting putting it on. We already have a huge center going in on the John Seton property here and there is a personal counseling center(battered woman's shelter) that has been here for years. They want to turn this quiet and rural area into some kind of find-yourself mecca. It sucks! We are getting speed bumps, 18 wheelers, and more traffic than these little roads can handle. My 2nd grader has to catch the bus on this very same road they propose this place and that all the other places are already on. I, for one, do not want any more of these places for any reason invading what once was a "real" rural residential community.

I am a homeowner that lives in this beautiful ara. The City limits are not far from where this Temple will exsist. This is a neighborhood that has many dirt roads,that are narrow and not lit at all. This is Horse property, where people enjoy sunsets and the peaceful nature of the area. As a resident I do not want to have the extra traffic, conjestion, lookie-loos and the rise in crime that will be attracted by all of this. I already have a Fire Station, a Women's shelter, a huge Convention Center-Seton Castle,that will change the caracter of the community I love.I bought a property that was zoned Residential, not non profit gathering places where people can pay for lectures, seminars and Temples to inhabit the area. Down the road we are having HUD housing....where we had Pinon Trees, they are all gone. So as a resident of the area that will have to deal with all of this in a small area. Why do we have to have a Temple to add to all of this!! This is not what people want here, it is where we live and enjoy a peaceful life.

Does anybody knows they meet regulary only 2 times a month?