Prop 2 pits animal welfare against food costs

Seems like an effort by the vegetarian lobby to drive up the price of animal products and force us all into eating their tofu burgers and other soylent green goodies. Then with the organic activists driving up the price of vegetarian products, we'll eventually have foot shortages and famine, which will please the population control activists. Hey, a win-win-win situation!

I'm all for it. If humans choose to eat animals wouldn't you want to eat an animal that had a stress free life and it's flesh was not filled with fear and a tortured existence? Would you want to consume their torture? The Hormonal stresses concerning their treatment are released into the flesh of the animal when it is slaughtered for human consumption. If you choose to eat animal flesh wouldn't you want to consume an animal that lived a stress free happy life?

Chickens have brains too. I used to know of one that played a piano,till I ate her.

Read "The Omnivore's Dilemma". It will open your eyes to how agribusiness raises our food.

Even supposed "cage free" eggs are not what you think.

I buy my eggs at Everett Family Farm. Sure would like to be able to get other products like chickens that have been humanely raised.

I can understand your concern for "foot" shortages and famine, but there has not been one case to prove that it would happen.

We are indeed what we eat. The Opposition would have you believe that there will be a Pandemic if we let the chickens run free, have fresh air and sunshine. If that were the case mankind would have died off thousands of years ago and the egg farmer in this article would have been out of business a long time ago.

We as thinking beings have the capacity for good and evil. The treatment of these chickens in these factory farms, if we could even call them farms, not only is inhumane, but worse side of ourselves and the only thing these factory places care about is the mighty dollar.

I think it is a good idea. My family eats a lot of meat and eggs --- and a rise in cost would hurt us financially and probably limit our consumption --

But -- the way these animals are treated now is horrific. It needs to be addressed. The previous poster is absolutely correct -- mankind existed for thousands and thousands of years without these massive nightmare 'farms'. We can adapt again.

Mr. Dunlops' farm produces healthy products that my family and I have enjoyed for years. Keep up the fantastic work!

Freebie wrote:

Seems like an effort by the vegetarian lobby to drive up the price of animal products and force us all into eating their tofu burgers and other soylent green goodies. Then with the organic activists driving up the price of vegetarian products, we'll eventually have foot shortages and famine, which will please the population control activists. Hey, a win-win-win situation!

Bet this guy is an obese white male who smokes like a train and drowns his sorrows with a quart of whiskey everyday. Enjoy your white bread and your heart, liver, and kidney disease. After the stroke vegetarians won't even bother you anymore.

People may care less about chickens (though they shouldn't) than they do about mammals with an intelligence level higher than dogs (and some people). So, in considering this measure, consider what factory farming has done to pigs. Gestation crates for sows are one of the most cruel contraptions humans have ever come up with for animals. Go here to see:

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/pig.html

The sows "live" in that one position -- artificially inseminated, giving birth, litter after litter, without even being able to see, lick, or touch their offspring -- until they are so ill with tumors, broken bones and skin ulcerations that they are no longer useful. They are then dragged into a pen where they wait to die or be killed.

Enjoy your bacon and cheap pork loin, folks.

Freebie wrote:

Seems like an effort by the vegetarian lobby to drive up the price of animal products and force us all into eating their tofu burgers and other soylent green goodies. Then with the organic activists driving up the price of vegetarian products, we'll eventually have foot shortages and famine, which will please the population control activists. Hey, a win-win-win situation!

You didn't even get your insult right, idiot. "Soylent Green" was made from ground-up people. That was the big secret in the movie.

Not a vegetarian dish, Freebie, unless the "people" came from your family tree!

(Posted by a vegetarian.)

This is really what I love about the left. Because they believe a certain way, they want to force everyone to think the same way.

This is America. I have an idea.

Why don't we let the customers decide which they want to support. The left can spend twice the money and buy eggs from Free walking around birds and the rest of the folks who have a budget can be free to purchase their eggs from the source that they have used for the last 200 years.
I can see the left's solution to the higher prices that these new laws will bring into play. It will raise the prices of eggs so high that "poor" people will not be able to afford these eggs and then they will go after government to give more food stamps so that people will be able to buy this new class of eggs.

Just let us have a choice or are you afraid of what people will choose ?

That's right we all have freedom of speech. When the left speak it is called forcing people, when the right speaks, then they say we don't force you to do anything, hogwash!

Let's look at Florida in 2002. They voted to ban calf and peg crates. There were five farms that used them. Two of them closed down their farms and sold all their hogs to market, than change over. One sold out his business because of rural development. The other two made the changes. There was and still is more than a half dozen more pig farms that did not use the crates and are still in business.

Don't let them scare you into thinking that it is the end of the egg farm business. The factory egg farm business is a multi million dollars business and well could afford to make the changes. They have seven years to do so, just like Florida did back in 2002.

Proposition 2 is a very modest reform bill that will give the lives of the chickens that feed us their eggs and meat more humane living conditions, they deserve better from us.

Sorry, that should have been pig crates.

Food for your body wrote:

I'm all for it. If humans choose to eat animals wouldn't you want to eat an animal that had a stress free life and it's flesh was not filled with fear and a tortured existence? Would you want to consume their torture? The Hormonal stresses concerning their treatment are released into the flesh of the animal when it is slaughtered for human consumption. If you choose to eat animal flesh wouldn't you want to consume an animal that lived a stress free happy life?

God, this is such c r a p. There comes a point when the animal rights movement crosses over into the abyss of wacky vegan political b.s. "we're superior to all of you meat eating fools." It just gets silly. People need affordable staples. Milk, butter, eggs, meat.$7 a dozen? I like my organic vegetables, meat and cage free, hormone free, organic eggs and will pay a little extra for them-but at some point I can't pay any more. I eat a lot more tofu for protein than red meat these days. Sorry if you believe that animals slaughtered feel fear, and that fear, if consumed somehow translates to poor health, but the majority of Americans-even healthy, active, normal weight omnivores like me and my family-are going to be hurt by propositions like this one if farmers can't produce staples like eggs at decent prices.

Higher prices? NO THANKS.

Coulrophobia wrote:

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You didn't even get your insult right, idiot. "Soylent Green" was made from ground-up people. That was the big secret in the movie.
Not a vegetarian dish, Freebie, unless the "people" came from your family tree!
(Posted by a vegetarian.)

Hey, Carnephobe: If you had any film lore knowledge at all, you'd be aware that Soylent Green was marketed in the movie as a soy and lentil blend - the ultimate high-protein vegan treat. Bon appetit, cabbage head.

Propositions seem to be California's way to get bad laws passed that can't ever get fixed.

Vote "No!" on all propositions until Prop 13 is repealed.

Esther wrote:

That's right we all have freedom of speech. When the left speak it is called forcing people, when the right speaks, then they say we don't force you to do anything, hogwash!
Let's look at Florida in 2002. They voted to ban calf and peg crates. There were five farms that used them. Two of them closed down their farms and sold all their hogs to market, than change over. One sold out his business because of rural development. The other two made the changes. There was and still is more than a half dozen more pig farms that did not use the crates and are still in business.
Don't let them scare you into thinking that it is the end of the egg farm business. The factory egg farm business is a multi million dollars business and well could afford to make the changes. They have seven years to do so, just like Florida did back in 2002.
Proposition 2 is a very modest reform bill that will give the lives of the chickens that feed us their eggs and meat more humane living conditions, they deserve better from us.

"peg crates" "there was and still is" and you mocked an earlier poster for a simple food/foot typo? Also, your Florida best case scenario example intended to relieve concerns over economic impact of such demands still showed 3 of 11 pig farms going out of business. And then you fell back on the old socialist mantra that businesses make lots of money and can afford the costs of activists and bureaucrats dictating their business practices. I went broke trying to satisfy such demands in Santa Cruz County, and others across the state will do the same if this proposition passes.

I had a wonderful seaweed and tofu salad with olive oil and rosemary dressing for dinner tonite. It was yummy !

Treena wrote:

I had a wonderful seaweed and tofu salad with olive oil and rosemary dressing for dinner tonite. It was yummy !

That seaweed and tofu was made from people! You're eating people!!!!!!!!!!