Rule would boost unions at airlines, railroads

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airlineguy wrote:

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Oh I LOVE this spin. I've never heard this one before.. Unions FORCED jobs overseas?
So I suppose our wages should have been competitive with the Indian sweat shops?

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airlineguy wrote:

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I've never heard this one before.. Unions FORCED jobs overseas?

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Still NWA Soon Delta wrote:

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No, that is not what they mean.
I feel we need to bring back work to the USA. But unions can and do make companies non-competitive to their rivals here at home. Companies have to have money to pay their employees. Math 101.
If a unionized company cannot compete with a non-unionized company, then it goes out of business. Economics 101
Unions do not serve the common good like they did many years back. Now, it's about dues and
union officers living high on the hog and getting double the pay and benefits of the very people he or she is supposed to be representing. The same thing that unions (and anyone else) would say of a CEO.

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Spade a Spade wrote:

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So your saying that execs purchase the majority of stocks, they own, with money that they earn and none are award as incentives, bonus, or part of their contract? That means the media has been lying about the companies. Naw, that would never happen..

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Bob Burns wrote:

Populist unionist socialism sweeps the country as the former America sinks beneath the waves

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River Veteran wrote:

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I own my business (19 employees) so why would I criticize you for being self employed??????? What…..you want a pat on the back for working hard and making something of yourself on your own merits... living the American Dream……funny. I own my recruiting firm and recruit for XE (ZEE)…formally Black Water, as well as other companies. I retired from the military a little over 2 years ago... Special Forces Combat Medic –
1987 i was in op (operation) Earnest Will in Kuwait...
88-90 op Just Cause in Panama..
92 op Restore hope in Somali...
95 I was in Bosnia...
97 I was in Tiran, Albania(wounded)...
2001 I was in Afghanistan.....
2003 Iraq (wounded)
2004 again in Iraq...
I don’t blame you for what is happening….. I blame our elected officials and dumbasses that vote people into power because of their skin color or the handouts that they can receive. Like your name on this forum…. I call a spade and spade.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding people making money and yet you fail to mention the people holding top positions in the current administration that STOLE $100MILLION dollars of tax payers money….(Franklin Raines, Jim Jones, etc…) That bothers me…..maybe not you and that’s cool…but, it does me.
LMAO....“conservative buddies”…..FYI…I’m a reg Dem! I voted for Bush Bot ONCE against Kerry the FAIRY. My father was with Kerry twice during VN…couldn’t vote for the Looooooser/Liar.
Yes, The Messiah won with the Majority of votes…..JUST LIKE BUSH! You seem to be the one with the grudge. For 6 years Democrats tried to find something, anything…tried every trick in the book to show that Bush cheated or what ever….they couldn’t and he didn’t….stop beating the dead horse.
LMAO….I bet you even believe that Bush inherited a SURPLUS from Clinton when he took office too!

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Clinton and Bush forced jobs overseas...not unions. They (Unions) just BANKFUPT companies.

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River Veteran wrote:

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Clinton and Bush forced jobs overseas...not unions. They (Unions) just BANKFUPT companies.

A Nnoyed wrote:

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What rock have you been living under? That's been accepted truth and common knowledge for decades.
Unions are filth and having already destroyed our manufacturing base, they're not satified and are in the process of bankrupting local governments as well. Look at the auto industry. That's Union influence at it's best.

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Old NWA Guy wrote:

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No, Spade I am climing the the execs and BOD are not the largest shareholders in any Large US corporation like you claim. Can't you read what you wrote and what I wrote? It was a stupid remark that you can't verify. Wrong again.

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I don't know what former US factory turned Asian sweat shop you are running over there but unions came about for a reason and continue to protect working families. Thank God for them.

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Fletcher wrote:

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SWA is a strong union workforce, very strong and they ain't no where near BK. Idiot.

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Tom-ay-to
Tom-ah-to
Don't go overseas, go bankrupt
Go overseas, don't go bankrupt
Either way, Unions did the biggest part.

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Spade a Spade wrote:

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Chip against making money? I advocate against cheap labor and the destruction of the middle class.
So big deal you did your duty, I did mine too, the difference is I don't brag about it and I don't believe anyone owes me anything for paying my part for the freedoms we all enjoy. Get over yourself about that.
As far as self employed, Your the ass that attacked me as lazy and a leach on corporate America. I set you straight.

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Gosh, I hate to agree with a nut of the Right Wing persuasion, but there is a certain amount of truth to this. The guys who go to work for the union are just management wannabes. They want to be like the big boys, wear suits, play golf(ALPA plays lots of golf), stay at nicer hotels than the crews and reward themselves handsomely with plenty of money and time off. Often, the same guys who negotiated your last contract end up being hired by the company. Pilots who obtain positions in the union usually make 50% to 100% more than their peers who fly the line. The president of ALPA makes $700K/yr. If he were a line pilot at CAL, he would make about $220K.The only difference between these guys and management is the level of compensation. Not to mention the fact that there are no head-hunting outfits seeking union leaders to run any legitimate enterprise.
As far as the necessity of unions, 92% of the private workforce work without union representation. You can't tell me that all of these people have awful jobs. Workers in large corporations organize because they CAN and because as a group they have the power to extort higher than market wages from their companies. This is why the Mafia dovetails in so well with union operations, "pay me or I put you out of business". It's extortion either way. Only with a union, it is legal.

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River Veteran wrote:

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Ummmmmmmm YES, UNIONS DO cause companies to go bankrupt. Hello you DUMB mother fucker...GM ring a bell. I know it probably doesn't bother you, but since I probably pay MORE in taxes than you...It bothers ME! "Beg the employer to pay a decent wage"....LMFAO....$50+ bucks an hour to turn a freakin wrench!
If the Company fails, the CEO and corporate officers shouldn't get SHIT.....99% of republicans and Dems feel that way...you're just too blind and fucking stupid to see it. You just SOAK up all the Daily Ko's talking points...but that's ok, your post prove how naive and stupid you are.
Go crawl back under your SEIU rock you worthless piece of UnAmerican shit!
FYI..... The United Auto Workers charged that the Detroit automaker intends to almost double over the next five years the number of vehicles it imports to the U.S. from Mexico, South Korea, China and Japan.....
GM gets a bail out and they are going to UP inports from overseas....hhhhmmmmmm seems you're WRONG AGAIN!

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River Veteran wrote:

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LMFAO....You're the one the wanted criticism or a pat on the back for being a "business owner".....seems your going to cry because you didn't get a pat from me. Want a towel???? or a shoulder?????
From your earlier post, YES YOU ARE JEALOUS and don't give a damn about the middle class. If you did, you wouldn't be spewing the BS on this thread that you do. Your the one sounding like you want Obama to put it in your mouth, so you can suck it until the swelling goes down!
WOW...I don't remember posting anything about you or anyone OWING me for purple hearts....I didn't BRAG....just stated facts to show you where I'm coming from. I may come off harsh, opinionated and curse alot (a ton to be precise).....oh, well, I earned that right just as you did.
You didn't SET ANYONE "Straight"....LMAO.. .You have avoided my facts and refuse to rebuttle them (cause you can't). Nice Try! You're a little hypocrite in my opinion and there is NO WAY IN Hell that you didn't vote for Obama. That's my opinion.... I'm entitled to it...RIGHT! Now, STFU or try again. This time.... come back with some FACTS backed up with a link or two.

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Spade a Spade wrote:

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I never used the word largest, large or any derivative of that. This is your sad twist to make something out of nothing. I typed my reply slow so that maybe you could comprehend but that didn't work in your dunce case..