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Peter sez: Sergio Marchionne... Sergio seems like an interesting guy, and I'd like to share a bottle of Gaja with him one evening, but he has delusions of grandeur with this Chrysler deal that are bordering on the fanciful. To wit, one comment that he made to the assembled multitudes last week (after quoting Machiavelli): "The 2010 - 2014 plan at Chrysler, when all is said and done, is a commitment to build an enterprise of men and women of virtue." Huh? That's nice, but how does that translate into a 14 percent market share of the U.S. market by 2014? It is our AE Quote of the Week, however.- PMD
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uawguy
United States
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Honest wrote: <quoted text> This was a plan meant for the media and the public to attempt to dispel rumors, inspire confidence in the new methods and show that work is being done. In that regard it was comprehensive, detailed, and very well done. It was not a presentation geared to employees and therefore you didn't get the details you were looking for. That wasn't the purpose and those details will no doubt come later but they're certainly not going to schedule a 6 hour press conference to release production specifics. Employees are the only ones who care about that. Sad but true. It's a business first, and foremost on the agenda is to work toward changing public perception so they even have a chance at survival. Did you read the entire presentation? If you did you should feel some hope in that a truly comprehensive analysis of this company from the ground up has been and continues to be done. To Guess Who: The Germans were good leaders and astute business men but they were also coming from a place of perceived superiority and, they were taking over a cash rich company. Big difference. These folks are scrappers and they're experienced in clawing they're way out of deep holes. Time will tell. Ok so what your saying is this was nothing more than a dog and pony show. To do nothing more than let the tax payers think theres something be done with the money and the american auto company that was handed over to an Italian auto company. Wel me being an American tax payer I'd like to know where they plan on building all these cars there saying the're going to bring into this country. The last report I seen from them in june shows only 3 assembly plants to still be operating in the U.S. To me that is very disturbing. They were givin money to help stimulate our econemy and put American taxpayers back to work!!! Not put more out of work and send our jobs to other countries!!!!!
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USA
Chicago, IL
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uawguy wrote: <quoted text>Ok so what your saying is this was nothing more than a dog and pony show. To do nothing more than let the tax payers think theres something be done with the money and the american auto company that was handed over to an Italian auto company. Wel me being an American tax payer I'd like to know where they plan on building all these cars there saying the're going to bring into this country. The last report I seen from them in june shows only 3 assembly plants to still be operating in the U.S. To me that is very disturbing. They were givin money to help stimulate our econemy and put American taxpayers back to work!!! Not put more out of work and send our jobs to other countries!!!!! Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner. Boycott Chrysler, until they bring the jobs back home. 1 month will show those Italians we mean business. The ball is rolling lets make this happen. There are some adds being put together for national TV and media! Be part of the movement that brings manufacturing back to the USA. Let your kids and grandkids have a shot at what we have had!
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guess who
Saint Paul, MN
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USA wrote: <quoted text> Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner. Boycott Chrysler, until they bring the jobs back home. 1 month will show those Italians we mean business. The ball is rolling lets make this happen. There are some adds being put together for national TV and media! Be part of the movement that brings manufacturing back to the USA. Let your kids and grandkids have a shot at what we have had! Wow a UAW member who understands solidarity, and willing to sacrifice for the good of their country. If there were more people like that years ago, there would be a heck of a lot more of the automotive and supplier jobs left.
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Alessandro
Castel Maggiore, Italy
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I do not understand you Americans who have no confidence in Chrysler and Fiat. If this is your attitude and it reflects the opinion of the U.S. market then maybe fiat was wrong to focus on Chrysler, but think about it: If this is so then who loses? Only you americans... so I think you should really be more optimistic and hope that Marchionne succeed in its project.
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uawguy
United States
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Alessandro wrote: I do not understand you Americans who have no confidence in Chrysler and Fiat. If this is your attitude and it reflects the opinion of the U.S. market then maybe fiat was wrong to focus on Chrysler, but think about it: If this is so then who loses? Only you americans... so I think you should really be more optimistic and hope that Marchionne succeed in its project. How could they have been wrong? They were givin 20% of the company and $15 billion and didn't to come up with 1 red cent out of their pocket. They can do absolutely nothing and still make billions. Its was and is a no lose situation for them. In other words they could close the company down completely tomorrow and walk away with billions of taxpayers dollars scotch free?
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Dinga
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USA wrote: <quoted text> Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner. Boycott Chrysler, until they bring the jobs back home. 1 month will show those Italians we mean business. The ball is rolling lets make this happen. There are some adds being put together for national TV and media! Be part of the movement that brings manufacturing back to the USA. Let your kids and grandkids have a shot at what we have had! Furthermore, only buy used Chrysler Products built before Naz1 rule
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Mopar
Fredonia, WI
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Alessandro
Castel Maggiore, Italy
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uawguy wrote: <quoted text>How could they have been wrong? They were givin 20% of the company and $15 billion and didn't to come up with 1 red cent out of their pocket. They can do absolutely nothing and still make billions. Its was and is a no lose situation for them. In other words they could close the company down completely tomorrow and walk away with billions of taxpayers dollars scotch free? You're right about the share "sold" to Fiat and about the billions of dollars, but I assure you that even here in Europe, governments have financed the carmakers(like Opel, a GM subsidiary)... But you're wrong where you say that if the project fails Fiat would not lose anything: this because as said by Marchionne, Fiat is currently too small to survive in the global market. Fiat needs Chrysler to survive ... They are on the same boat. So, my fellows americans... buy Chrysler cars... or Fiat's. or... well, you know..:P
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Hisenberg
Norwalk, OH
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guess who wrote: <quoted text> Wow a UAW member who understands solidarity, and willing to sacrifice for the good of their country. If there were more people like that years ago, there would be a heck of a lot more of the automotive and supplier jobs left. But you still would have been fired, wouldnt you? How about showing up for work first?
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guess who
Saint Paul, MN
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Hisenberg wrote: <quoted text> But you still would have been fired, wouldnt you? How about showing up for work first? Say what? Kind of funny since I a perfect attendance award for last year.
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Joined: Sep 6, 2009
Comments: 110
Indianapolis, IN
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Alessandro wrote: <quoted text> You're right about the share "sold" to Fiat and about the billions of dollars, but I assure you that even here in Europe, governments have financed the carmakers(like Opel, a GM subsidiary)... But you're wrong where you say that if the project fails Fiat would not lose anything: this because as said by Marchionne, Fiat is currently too small to survive in the global market. Fiat needs Chrysler to survive ... They are on the same boat. So, my fellows americans... buy Chrysler cars... or Fiat's. or... well, you know..:P How can you say Fiat was "sold" their 20%?? They have not spent 1 red cent in this ordeal. If they have not spent any money on their "shares", they did not purchase anything at all!!! They were GIVEN their shares by the federal government of the USA via the bankruptsy court. There is no way you can say the shares were "sold" to them!!!
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T-Bone Pickens
Greenville, SC
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As long as there is a UAW contract, the tough choices for survival will never be made.
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Hisenberg
Norwalk, OH
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T-Bone Pickens wrote: As long as there is a UAW contract, the tough choices for survival will never be made. does anyone "other than guess who" listen to this ex UAW hypocrite?
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“Change NAFTA/ Trade Agreements”
Joined: May 1, 2009
Comments: 2820
Arnold
ISP:
Saint Louis, MO
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Hisenberg wrote: <quoted text> does anyone "other than guess who" listen to this ex UAW hypocrite? Hell no!
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The Shadow
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Hisenberg wrote: <quoted text> does anyone "other than guess who" listen to this ex UAW hypocrite? Its hard to fix miserable,and everything i see from these individuals leds me to believe this.
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Dodge Man
Lebanon, IL
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Peter wrote: he painful reality for Chrysler is that it is far behind its domestic competitors, which means it is behind every other car company too. This in a global market that has no time for laggards and excuses. Chrysler sales numbers are pitiful, and its quality performance is flat-out inexcusable. Chrysler has a reputation of being a perennial loser, thanks to gross mismanagement by Daimler and Cerberus compounded by a very publicly-financed bankruptcy that cannot and will not be fixed overnight. Yet Sergio and his troops actually believe all of this is going to get fixed with a creative five-year plan? I'll put it succinctly for you: No frickin' way. Were you born A**HOLE,.........or do you wake up in the morning and work at it?
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