Black Atheists, Agnostics Are Appealing To African-Americans Fed...

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Although African-Americans remain a largely religious demographic, Black atheists and agnostics, such as the Black Skeptics of Los Angeles , are becoming more appealing and leaving religious faiths behind, writes University of Southern California's Intersection South LA publication. According to the American Religious Identification Survey of 2008 , the number of Black persons without any religious affiliation jumped from 6 to 11 percent between 1990 and 2008, mirroring a national trend amongst all Americans that saw a jump from 8 to 15 percent.

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“Proud White Woman for life!”

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Spotted World

#1 Saturday Nov 15
Is this a good or bad thing?

On one hand, that would reduce the amount of hypocrisy. For instance, there was a BW near me who sold drugs for years and didn't get caught until recently. But she sang in the church choir and all and even tried to start her own congregation at one point. She'd have the meetings in her apartment and then would sell to those who stayed behind.

But faith tends to be a glue that holds communities together, and the Af. Am. Community needs a lot of help. So abandoning faith sounds like it could be a bad thing.

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#2 Saturday Nov 15
Whites are mostly religious but that doesn't stop you from making out with dogs.
the irony

Port Richey, FL

#3 Saturday Nov 15

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Baltimore, Md.

#4 Sunday Nov 16
In a secular society like the USA it was only a matter of time before secular sensibilities and ideas began to appeal to some members of the African-American community. And that may be a good thing since secular, rationalist thought has much of value to offer any community. But I doubt that it will become a majority phenomenon.
the irony

Port Richey, FL

#5 Sunday Nov 16
For those of you who didn't graduate high school like the idiot savant did, ....he just told you blacks that he believes you are too superstitious to completely give up on religion.....

“Jesus loves you all!”

Since: Jul 13

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#6 Sunday Nov 16
People simply need to turn to God, repent before Him, and obey Him and His Torah then everything will turn out for the better for us all.
audy17

Albertville, AL

#7 Sunday Nov 16
I dont think its surprising that AA are leaving their religious beliefs. Im one of them. Ppl have more to gain from leaving a faith then sticking with one. You dont need religion in order to have morals, be successful, and happy. If anything I think it oppresses ppl and creates unnecessary tension with other religious and non religioud ppl. When you have ALL claiming to be true and condeming the rest. This breeds intolerance and ignorance which leads some to be hypocrits and destructive fanatics. Because so many believe their doing whats right but can be harmful or disrespectful to another based on their faith at times were as others use it as a cover for their wrongs and try to justify it. Examples like the subjugation of women, the hatred of homosexuals, the condonement of slavery. This is my opinion and what Ive seen ppl do or say in the name of their religious beliefs anyone is free to take it as they wont.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#9 Sunday Nov 16
The lrony wrote:
<quoted text>Wow.
You are PITIFULLY illiterate,
....do you even realize that?
You are pitifully stupid. Do you realize that? If you disagree with what she says, then offer a refutation. But shut your trap if a personal insult is all (or the best) that you have to offer.
audy17

Albertville, AL

#10 Sunday Nov 16
The lrony wrote:
<quoted text>Wow.
You are PITIFULLY illiterate,
....do you even realize that?
How am illiterate when i have no problem reading what you replied and typing back a response? Do you know what that means? Anyways I said it was my opinion based on observation you can disagree just like I can. You on the other hand are ignorant and like so many you get riled up when others voice thoughts about religion you find it hard to refute or explain. Why is that? Open your mind and you will be astounded by how much you can benefit from being enlightend on things that ppl fear to qeustion such as religion and govt. Policies when they just dont always add up

“Behave Yourself”

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Since: Jul 07

Fort Worth, Texas

#11 Monday Nov 17
Spotted Girl wrote:
Is this a good or bad thing?
On one hand, that would reduce the amount of hypocrisy. For instance, there was a BW near me who sold drugs for years and didn't get caught until recently. But she sang in the church choir and all and even tried to start her own congregation at one point. She'd have the meetings in her apartment and then would sell to those who stayed behind.
But faith tends to be a glue that holds communities together, and the Af. Am. Community needs a lot of help. So abandoning faith sounds like it could be a bad thing.
There's nothing wrong with abandoning religion or any other mythology or fairy tales that only stifle progress.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#12 Monday Nov 17
Spotted Girl wrote:
Is this a good or bad thing?
On one hand, that would reduce the amount of hypocrisy. For instance, there was a BW near me who sold drugs for years and didn't get caught until recently. But she sang in the church choir and all and even tried to start her own congregation at one point. She'd have the meetings in her apartment and then would sell to those who stayed behind.
But faith tends to be a glue that holds communities together, and the Af. Am. Community needs a lot of help. So abandoning faith sounds like it could be a bad thing.
On the other hand, being told that God has a plan for you, and will look after you doesn't exactly promote personal initiative in improving yourself. Take away God, and it's all up to you, not anyone or anything else.

I say this is a good thing. Atheists are typically more moral and empathetic to other peoples issues. Heck, a recent study in the UK has the puplic stating that atheists are more moral than the religious, including some in the religious community.
Justa Thawght

Washington, DC

#13 Monday Nov 17
Well we all know that the topic of "religion" is a lightning rod subject. It will bring contention and animosity! And the topic of "Jesus" even more so. But Jesus knew that when He said "If they hated me, they will surely hate you".
I am a born again believer in Jesus! I think His counsel and example for living is both relevant and very effective in helping us navigate through life and this materialistic and temporal world!
But I understand a lot of the sentiments of the atheist and the agnostic.
But I would suggest that if you really want to know better what God and Jesus said, and what their true nature really is, please don't confuse God with the modern day church and don't confuse Jesus with the average Christian.
I don't think God in Christ intended to be just a religion among religions, but an effective means and power to transform lives, thereby transforming humanity, thereby transforming the world. But it all begins with an individual determined to "get it right", and not just trying to be "the one that's right".
You just might find that except for the name Jesus, many of the world's so called religions are not that much different from each other.
But if it's your intention to set out to disprove that God exist and Jesus is not who He claimed He is, then yes, you will most surely become an atheist....without much hope as far as I can see. If the only point to our existence is to live until we die, then eat drink and be merry! For there surely will come a day you will surely die!
Pray that you're right about it! Ummh I mean "hope" that you're right about it. Because without faith; hope and luck is all you have left! Good luck!
I am so glad the slaves and the American Civil Rights workers had so much more!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

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Baltimore, Md.

#14 Monday Nov 17
Cujo wrote:
<quoted text>
On the other hand, being told that God has a plan for you, and will look after you doesn't exactly promote personal initiative in improving yourself. Take away God, and it's all up to you, not anyone or anything else.
I say this is a good thing. Atheists are typically more moral and empathetic to other peoples issues. Heck, a recent study in the UK has the puplic stating that atheists are more moral than the religious, including some in the religious community.
One thing that is overlooked is that while most studies indicated that African-Americans are still the most religious demographic in the USA (esp. the South), one consequence of 1960s is that considerably more of us have obtained a higher education than in the past. Probably ten times as many AA folk have attained a university education in the past 20 years than were able to do so in the time of Martin Luther KIng, Jr (when a 6th grade education was about the average level of Black men in the South). Now education doesn't necessarily lead to atheism or agnosticism. But it often does. And the reason is that there is a greater likelihood of one becoming a critical thinker after a number of years of higher education. And SOME critical thinkers will become unbelievers, not just unorthodox believers with dissident religious ideas. I am myself an agnostic and became such while in undergraduate school studying history and philosophy. Fifty or sixty years ago I (especially as a working class poor person growing up in the inner city) would probably have not completed high school, maybe not even gotten to high school. Such was the case of my parents from the Jim Crow South. The Movement made my education possible. And while I admit that there is sometimes a void where unreflective religious certainties once dwelled, I would not want to be ignorant (and impoverished) just in order to enjoy the solace of religion. Most Black Americans are and will remain religious. Given the realities of economic exploitation, poverty, poor education, and even new forms of racism, this is hardly surprising. There's something to the claim that religion is an opiate of the people, the wish dreams of an oppressed humanity. But at least a larger fraction, albeit still an educated minority, do have other options. It is na´ve to think that at least SOME would not seize those options.
audy17

Albertville, AL

#16 Monday Nov 17
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> One thing that is overlooked is that while most studies indicated that African-Americans are still the most religious demographic in the USA (esp. the South), one consequence of 1960s is that considerably more of us have obtained a higher education than in the past. Probably ten times as many AA folk have attained a university education in the past 20 years than were able to do so in the time of Martin Luther KIng, Jr (when a 6th grade education was about the average level of Black men in the South). Now education doesn't necessarily lead to atheism or agnosticism. But it often does. And the reason is that there is a greater likelihood of one becoming a critical thinker after a number of years of higher education. And SOME critical thinkers will become unbelievers, not just unorthodox believers with dissident religious ideas. I am myself an agnostic and became such while in undergraduate school studying history and philosophy. Fifty or sixty years ago I (especially as a working class poor person growing up in the inner city) would probably have not completed high school, maybe not even gotten to high school. Such was the case of my parents from the Jim Crow South. The Movement made my education possible. And while I admit that there is sometimes a void where unreflective religious certainties once dwelled, I would not want to be ignorant (and impoverished) just in order to enjoy the solace of religion. Most Black Americans are and will remain religious. Given the realities of economic exploitation, poverty, poor education, and even new forms of racism, this is hardly surprising. There's something to the claim that religion is an opiate of the people, the wish dreams of an oppressed humanity. But at least a larger fraction, albeit still an educated minority, do have other options. It is na´ve to think that at least SOME would not seize those options.
I agree. Ive noticed ppl with higher education or those who care to look more into religion instead of taking whats fed to them at a young age. Do not put much thought or faith into it. Im not saying its completely bad(religion) but i dont think its necessary or really beneficial. Most agnostics and atheist at one point were religious and its proven that most times we have a better understanding of the bible because WE actual read and notice the good and the bad and the inconsistences. Alot of it is borrowed and added on and various denominations knick pick at scriptures on what to believe. And often times change interpretations to fit their need even when the meanings are clear.
Justa Thawght

Washington, DC

#17 Monday Nov 17
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> One thing that is overlooked is that while most studies indicated that African-Americans are still the most religious demographic in the USA (esp. the South), one consequence of 1960s is that considerably more of us have obtained a higher education than in the past. Probably ten times as many AA folk have attained a university education in the past 20 years than were able to do so in the time of Martin Luther KIng, Jr (when a 6th grade education was about the average level of Black men in the South). Now education doesn't necessarily lead to atheism or agnosticism. But it often does. And the reason is that there is a greater likelihood of one becoming a critical thinker after a number of years of higher education. And SOME critical thinkers will become unbelievers, not just unorthodox believers with dissident religious ideas. I am myself an agnostic and became such while in undergraduate school studying history and philosophy. Fifty or sixty years ago I (especially as a working class poor person growing up in the inner city) would probably have not completed high school, maybe not even gotten to high school. Such was the case of my parents from the Jim Crow South. The Movement made my education possible. And while I admit that there is sometimes a void where unreflective religious certainties once dwelled, I would not want to be ignorant (and impoverished) just in order to enjoy the solace of religion. Most Black Americans are and will remain religious. Given the realities of economic exploitation, poverty, poor education, and even new forms of racism, this is hardly surprising. There's something to the claim that religion is an opiate of the people, the wish dreams of an oppressed humanity. But at least a larger fraction, albeit still an educated minority, do have other options. It is na´ve to think that at least SOME would not seize those options.
I fail to see where education and belief can't co-exist. the problem with traditional education is that it teaches little about wisdom! You may think you're "critically" thinking, but the true Truth is you have very little control over what's motivating your thinking and your thoughts! Those are often the result of lustful desires of your temporal fleshly body, and not the desire of a heart looking to find and live by Truth!
Justa Thawght

Washington, DC

#18 Monday Nov 17
audy17 wrote:
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I agree. Ive noticed ppl with higher education or those who care to look more into religion instead of taking whats fed to them at a young age. Do not put much thought or faith into it. Im not saying its completely bad(religion) but i dont think its necessary or really beneficial. Most agnostics and atheist at one point were religious and its proven that most times we have a better understanding of the bible because WE actual read and notice the good and the bad and the inconsistences. Alot of it is borrowed and added on and various denominations knick pick at scriptures on what to believe. And often times change interpretations to fit their need even when the meanings are clear.
You may have a problem with "religion" which isn't necessarily having a problem with Truth! Truth is easy to identify. it is usually eternal and agrees with an open mind and heart! Such as "All have sinned and fall short"! That is a truth that no one can argue against! Not even a religious person!
audy17

Albertville, AL

#19 Monday Nov 17
Justa Thawght wrote:
<quoted text>
You may have a problem with "religion" which isn't necessarily having a problem with Truth! Truth is easy to identify. it is usually eternal and agrees with an open mind and heart! Such as "All have sinned and fall short"! That is a truth that no one can argue against! Not even a religious person!
Of course everyone is imperfect but religion isnt needed just to be able to point it out just like it isnt needed to correct them. A persons actions can make a difference but having faith in a diety or dieties abilities to fix problems doesnt. If i prayed to end starvation and i was sincere and genuine and had unshakeable faith it would not end starvation. Getting up and taking action to lessen their suffering will gradually do more for those ppl then praying for them or telling them to do so. Its not just religion itself its that ppl use it to explain what they cant rather then work to find a solution or that they use it to justify their actions as Gods will etc. These ppl arent always bad but ppl will do bad things for their religion if its mentioned in some old man made book. Over time various religions have died off and others have been created to fit to what that era needed. In ancient times various Gods were used to explain sickness,nature etc. But sciencs has proven that these beings didnt cause or control those things. So that type of worship dissappears its just a cycle in which the current religions will give way to another. Ppl put to much faith in something so outdated rather theb striving to make good for themselves and others
Justa Thawght

Temple Hills, MD

#20 Monday Nov 17
audy17 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course everyone is imperfect but religion isnt needed just to be able to point it out just like it isnt needed to correct them. A persons actions can make a difference but having faith in a diety or dieties abilities to fix problems doesnt. If i prayed to end starvation and i was sincere and genuine and had unshakeable faith it would not end starvation. Getting up and taking action to lessen their suffering will gradually do more for those ppl then praying for them or telling them to do so. Its not just religion itself its that ppl use it to explain what they cant rather then work to find a solution or that they use it to justify their actions as Gods will etc. These ppl arent always bad but ppl will do bad things for their religion if its mentioned in some old man made book. Over time various religions have died off and others have been created to fit to what that era needed. In ancient times various Gods were used to explain sickness,nature etc. But sciencs has proven that these beings didnt cause or control those things. So that type of worship dissappears its just a cycle in which the current religions will give way to another. Ppl put to much faith in something so outdated rather theb striving to make good for themselves and others
Yes religion will and has failed man! God has not! There is a huge difference between religion and God in Christ! In religion man did or attempted to make God in man's image. God in Christ teaching is what you should pay attention to. Not faulty religious traditions and vain attempts in explaining God to man. God can't be explained to man. He must be experienced! It is the teaching and counsel that helps us.
You also are exactly right about helping others. But if you're helping others for the wrong reasons then your help is in vain. Yes people need help with sustenance but that only helps them temporarily. What would really help them is a deep sense of hope and purpose. You may feel like your life has no purpose except what you purpose it for. The problem with that is that most humans end up doing good deeds for selfish reason and self gratification and nobility. One rarely does good out of a pure Love for their fellow man. That is why most of it is not permanent nor effective in solving problems. True Love is sacrificial and void of selfish or self centered motives. It does not seek to highlight what it does or blow a trumpet when it does it. It does it because it is it's nature to do it whether someone acknowledges it or not or whether they get credit for it or not. To attain to a place of this stature, one needs to change his basic fundamental nature from one of self serving to being a servant for all. From proud and hearty accolades of self to one of true humility. This is where God in Christ can come in and help us attain if we ask, seek and knock!
audy17

Albertville, AL

#21 Monday Nov 17
Justa Thawght wrote:
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Yes religion will and has failed man! God has not! There is a huge difference between religion and God in Christ! In religion man did or attempted to make God in man's image. God in Christ teaching is what you should pay attention to. Not faulty religious traditions and vain attempts in explaining God to man. God can't be explained to man. He must be experienced! It is the teaching and counsel that helps us.
You also are exactly right about helping others. But if you're helping others for the wrong reasons then your help is in vain. Yes people need help with sustenance but that only helps them temporarily. What would really help them is a deep sense of hope and purpose. You may feel like your life has no purpose except what you purpose it for. The problem with that is that most humans end up doing good deeds for selfish reason and self gratification and nobility. One rarely does good out of a pure Love for their fellow man. That is why most of it is not permanent nor effective in solving problems. True Love is sacrificial and void of selfish or self centered motives. It does not seek to highlight what it does or blow a trumpet when it does it. It does it because it is it's nature to do it whether someone acknowledges it or not or whether they get credit for it or not. To attain to a place of this stature, one needs to change his basic fundamental nature from one of self serving to being a servant for all. From proud and hearty accolades of self to one of true humility. This is where God in Christ can come in and help us attain if we ask, seek and knock!
I respect your views and passion on this subject although we may disagree and agree on some things. If most ppl that claim to bd true to their religious beliefs actually believed and applied the good things in their daily lives I might not be so dismissive of most religious ppl. Although you honestly are one of very few ppl who may not intentionally live a hypocritical life by "reveling in sin" and then asking for forgiveness only to do it again. So many ppl do it others only get spiritual briefly when hardship or tragedy hits. So I cant help but point out the flaws as I seem them. Especially when some need to just be responsible and own up instead of thinking God will handle it and leaving it undone. After all God helps those who help themselves :) it might not be in the bible exactly but its a good phrase for some to keep in mind

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Spotted World

#22 Tuesday Nov 18
Edthirty wrote:
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There's nothing wrong with abandoning religion or any other mythology or fairy tales that only stifle progress.
That is your opinion, but faith is real and if there is a God, abandoning Him is not a good thing. Many think that is why the US has faced so many disasters in recent years. And if you call a lot of things we have "progress," we don't need it.

Okay, why not abandon Black History too? Using your argument, there is nothing abandoning anything that stifle's progress.

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